On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:31 AM, Michael Still <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 7:51 AM, Dolph Mathews <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > ++ Data backups are a solved problem, and no DB admin should trust an
> > application to perform its own backups.
>
> I'm not completely sure I agree. Consider the case where a cloud with
> active users undertakes an upgrade. The migrations run, and they allow
> user traffic to hit the installation. They then discover there is a
> serious problem and now need to rollback. However, they can't just
> restore a database backup, because the database is no longer in a
> consistent state compared with the hypervisors -- users might have
> created or deleted instances for example.


> In this scenario if we could downgrade reliably, they could force a
> downgrade with db sync, and then revert the packages they had
> installed to the previous version.
>
> How would they handle this scenario with just database backups?
>

Great point, but I still wouldn't *rely* on an application to manage it's
own data backups :)


>
> Michael
>
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