On 11/06/18 10:23, Doug Hellmann wrote:
Excerpts from Dmitry Tantsur's message of 2018-06-11 16:00:41 +0200:
Hi,
On 06/11/2018 03:53 PM, Ruby Loo wrote:
Hi,
I don't want to hijack the initial thread, but am now feeling somewhat guilty
about not being vocal wrt Storyboard. Yes, ironic migrated to Storyboard in the
beginning of this cycle. To date, I have not been pleased with replacing
Launchpad with Storyboard. I believe that Storyboard is somewhat
still-in-progress, and that there were/are some features (stories) that are
outstanding that would make its use better.
From my point of view (as a developer and core, not a project manager or PTL)
using Storyboard has made my day-to-day work worse. Granted, any migration is
without headaches. But some of the main things, like searching for our RFEs
(that we had tagged in Launchpad) wasn't possible. I haven't yet figured out how
to limit a search to only the 'ironic' project using that 'search' like GUI, so
I have been frustrated trying to find particular bugs that I *knew* existed but
had not memorized the bug number.
Yeah, I cannot fully understand the search. I would expect something explicit
like Launchpad or better something command-based like "project:openstack/ironic
pxe". This does not seem to work, so I also wonder how to filter all stories
affecting a project.
Searching tripped me up for the first couple of weeks, too.
Storyboard's search field is a lot "smarter" than expected. Or maybe
you'd call it "magic". Either way, it was confusing, but you don't have
to use any special syntax in the UI.
To search for a project, type the name of the project in the search
field and then *wait* for the list of drop-down options to appear.
The first item in the list will be a "raw" search for the term. The
others will have little icons indicating their type. The project
icon looks like a little cube, for example. If I go to
https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/search and type "openstack/ironic"
I get a list that includes openstack/ironic, openstack/ironic-inspector,
etc.
Select the project you want from the list and hit enter, and you'll
get a list of all of the stories with tasks attached to the project.
Yeah, it's actually pretty powerful, but the UX is a pain. For a
workflow as common as searching within a project, there should never be
a step that involves *waiting*. This could be easily fixed: if the user
is on the page for a project (or project group) and clicks on the search
tab, the search field should be autopopulated with the project so they
only have to opt out when they want to search something else, rather
than opt in every time by typing the project's name again... waiting...
clicking on one of the inscrutable icons. (Prepopulating in this way
would also help teach people how the search field works and what the
little icons mean, so that it wouldn't take weeks to figure out how to
search within a project even when you have to start from scratch.)
There are a lot of rough edges like this. An issue tracker is an
incredibly complicated class of application, and projects like Launchpad
have literally millions of issues tracked, so basically everything that
could come up has. Storyboard is not at that stage yet.
Some other bugbears:
* There's no help link anywhere. (This appears to be because there's
nothing to link to.)
* There's no way to mark a story as a duplicate of another.
* Numeric IDs in URLs instead of project names are a serious barrier to
usability.
* Default query size of 10 unless you (a) are logged in, and (b)
increased it to something sane in your Profile (pro tip: do this now!)
makes it really painful to use, especially since the full text search is
not very accurate, the prev/next arrows appear to be part of a
competition to make UI elements as tiny as possible(4 pixels wide, and
even the click target is only 16), and moving between pages is kinda
slow. Also I changed the setting in my profile the other day, and when I
logged in again today it had been reset to 10.
* Actually, I just tried scrolling through the project list after
setting the query size back to 100, and the ranges I got were:
- 1 to 100 of 344 ok so far
- 101 to 200 of 344 good good
- 100101 to 344 of 344 wat
* Actually, *is* there any full-text search? The search page says only
that you can search for "Keyword in a story or task title". That would
explain why it's impossible to find most things you're looking for.
* You can't even use Google to search it, I suspect because only issues
that are linked to from other sites are visible to the crawler due to
there being no sitemap.xml.
* Showing project groups in reverse chronological order of their
creation instead of alphabetical order is bizarre.
* Launchpad fields always display in fixed-width fonts with linebreaks
preserved. Storyboard uses Markdown. The migration process makes no
attempt to preserve the formatting, so a lot of the
descriptions/comments containing code/logs/heat templates is unreadable.
* No upper limit on text box width makes for super long lines of text
that are difficult to read. Proportionally-spaced text should generally
be limited to a maximum width of ~33em http://webtypography.net/2.1.2
(in fact the typography in general is wanting, starting with all of the
text being too small).
* References in comments to other bugs, which were links in Launchpad,
are not linked to either the bugs in Launchpad or the stories in
Storyboard after the migration.
The good news is these are just rough edges, and they all seem fixable.
(Except for the lack of full-text search, if that actually is the case.)
The bad news is that we're at the stage where it's not ready for
primetime, but it won't get ready without major projects starting to use
it, but while it's getting ready those projects are in for a lot of pain
and are awkwardly disconnected from all of the projects still on
Launchpad (you can't simply move a ticket from one project to another
any more if they're on different systems).
cheers,
Zane.
To search based on words in the title or body of the story or task,
just type those and then select the item with the magnifying glass
icon for the "raw" search.
It's not necessary to use search to get a list of open items, though.
You can also navigate directly to a project or group of projects.
For example, by clicking the "Project Groups" icon on the left you
end up at https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/list
and by entering "ironic" in the search field there you'll see that
there are 23 projects in the ironic group (wow!). Clicking the name
of the project group will take you to a view showing the current
open items.
I strongly encourage teams to set up worklists or dashboards with
saved searches or manually curated lists of stories or tasks. For
example, the release team uses
https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/board/64 to keep track of our work
within the cycle.
Doug
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