On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 05:37 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote: > > > ## Cores are *NOT* special > > > > > > At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message > > > changed and the feeling of core's being some kind of superheros became > > > a thing. It's gotten far enough to the point that I've came to know > > > that some projects even have private (flagged with +s), password > > > protected, irc channels for core reviewers. > > > > This is seriously disturbing. > > > > If you're one of those core reviewers hanging out on a private channel, > > please contact me privately: I'd love to hear from you why we failed as > > a community at convincing you that an open channel is the place to be. > > > > No public shaming, please: education first. > > I've been thinking about these last few lines a bit, I'm not entirely > comfortable with the dynamic this sets up. > > What primarily concerns me is the issue of community accountability. A > core > feature of OpenStack's project & individual team governance is the idea > of democractic elections, where the individual contributors can vote in > people who they think will lead OpenStack in a positive way, or > conversely > hold leadership to account by voting them out next time. The ability of > individuals contributors to exercise this freedom though, relies on the > voters being well informed about what is happening in the community. > > If cases of bad community behaviour, such as use of passwd protected IRC > channels, are always primarily dealt with via further private > communications, > then we are denying the voters the information they need to hold people > to > account. I can understand the desire to avoid publically shaming people > right away, because the accusations may be false, or may be arising from > a > simple mis-understanding, but at some point genuine issues like this need > to be public. Without this we make it difficult for contributors to make > an informed decision at future elections. > > Right now, this thread has left me wondering whether there are still any > projects which are using password protected IRC channels, or whether they > have all been deleted, and whether I will be unwittingly voting for > people > who supported their use in future openstack elections.
I trust Stef, as one of our Community Managers, to investigate and report back. Let's give that a little time, and allow for the fact that with travel and other things going on it may take a while. I've added it to the TC agenda [1] for next week so we can check in to see where things stand. Doug [1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Agenda > > Regards, > Daniel > -- > |: http://berrange.com -o- > http://www.flickr.com/photos/dberrange/ :| > |: http://libvirt.org -o- > http://virt-manager.org :| > |: http://autobuild.org -o- > http://search.cpan.org/~danberr/ :| > |: http://entangle-photo.org -o- > http://live.gnome.org/gtk-vnc :| > > __________________________________________________________________________ > OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) > Unsubscribe: > [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe > http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev __________________________________________________________________________ OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions) Unsubscribe: [email protected]?subject:unsubscribe http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-dev
