On Tue, Feb 17, 2015, at 05:37 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 03:14:39PM +0100, Stefano Maffulli wrote:
> > > ## Cores are *NOT* special
> > > 
> > > At some point, for some reason that is unknown to me, this message
> > > changed and the feeling of core's being some kind of superheros became
> > > a thing. It's gotten far enough to the point that I've came to know
> > > that some projects even have private (flagged with +s), password
> > > protected, irc channels for core reviewers.
> > 
> > This is seriously disturbing.
> > 
> > If you're one of those core reviewers hanging out on a private channel,
> > please contact me privately: I'd love to hear from you why we failed as
> > a community at convincing you that an open channel is the place to be.
> > 
> > No public shaming, please: education first.
> 
> I've been thinking about these last few lines a bit, I'm not entirely
> comfortable with the dynamic this sets up.
> 
> What primarily concerns me is the issue of community accountability. A
> core
> feature of OpenStack's project & individual team governance is the idea
> of democractic elections, where the individual contributors can vote in
> people who they think will lead OpenStack in a positive way, or
> conversely
> hold leadership to account by voting them out next time. The ability of
> individuals contributors to exercise this freedom though, relies on the
> voters being well informed about what is happening in the community.
> 
> If cases of bad community behaviour, such as use of passwd protected IRC
> channels, are always primarily dealt with via further private
> communications,
> then we are denying the voters the information they need to hold people
> to
> account. I can understand the desire to avoid publically shaming people
> right away, because the accusations may be false, or may be arising from
> a
> simple mis-understanding, but at some point genuine issues like this need
> to be public. Without this we make it difficult for contributors to make
> an informed decision at future elections.
> 
> Right now, this thread has left me wondering whether there are still any
> projects which are using password protected IRC channels, or whether they
> have all been deleted, and whether I will be unwittingly voting for
> people
> who supported their use in future openstack elections.

I trust Stef, as one of our Community Managers, to investigate and
report back. Let's give that a little time, and allow for the fact that
with travel and other things going on it may take a while. I've added it
to the TC agenda [1] for next week so we can check in to see where
things stand.

Doug

[1] https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee#Agenda

> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
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