This is a very nice idea but I’m afraid that the index is not the only 
parameter that is different between the instances.
I will write down the full use case so we could continue the discussion. Thanks!


From: Pavlo Shchelokovskyy [mailto:pshchelokovs...@mirantis.com]
Sent: יום ד 11 מרץ 2015 14:59
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Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][heat] Autoscaling parameters blueprint

Hi,

as you have a separate monitoring solution (not Ceilometer), it seems you can 
use ResourceGroup instead of AutoscalingGroup and issue heatclient/rest calls 
to do a stack-update with desired size of the group when needed. The group 
members will be numbered, and as already said you can also control the removal. 
One possible downside is that AFAIR the numbers would not be reused on 
subsequent scale-down/ups.

Best regards,

Pavlo Shchelokovskyy
Software Engineer
Mirantis Inc
www.mirantis.com<http://www.mirantis.com>

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 2:46 PM, ELISHA, Moshe (Moshe) 
<moshe.eli...@alcatel-lucent.com<mailto:moshe.eli...@alcatel-lucent.com>> wrote:
I am familiar of the removal policies. Thanks!

Our use case for parameters on scale out is as follows:

Every server has a unique index that identifies it.
The first server has an index of 1, the second has an index of 2, etc.
The index of each server must exist prior to the configuration phase of the 
server.

This use case is an outcome of a virtualization process for an NFV application.
In the past this application was scaled manually by adding physical cards into 
slots - the index is the slot number.
In order to allow a smooth and fast transition of the app into the cloud - the 
requirement is to stay with the same architecture.


The current suggested solution is as follows:

The HOT will be created with an AutoScalingGroup and two ScalingPolicies for 
scale out and scale in.
Like many other NFV applications, this application also has a Life Cycle 
Manager of its own that monitors and decides when to scale.
When scale is needed, the LCM will invoke the alarm_url exposed by these 
ScalingPolicies while providing the server index for the newly created server.

The index is just one example of a parameter needed at scale out - there can be 
others.
Much more design is needed when the desired_capacity > 1 or  the 
scaling_adjustment > 1 or in percentage but let's first agree that the use case 
is OK.


-----Original Message-----
From: Steven Hardy [mailto:sha...@redhat.com<mailto:sha...@redhat.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 12:39 PM
To: OpenStack Development Mailing List (not for usage questions)
Subject: Re: [openstack-dev] [nova][heat] Autoscaling parameters blueprint

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 09:01:04AM +0000, ELISHA, Moshe (Moshe) wrote:
>    Hey,
>
>
>
>    Can someone please share the current status of the "Autoscaling signals to
>    allow parameter passing for UserData" blueprint -
>     https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/autoscaling-parameters.

This is quite old, and subsequent discussions have happened which indicate a 
slightly different approach, e.g this thread here where I discuss approaches to 
signalling an AutoScalingGroup to remove a specific group member.  As Angus has 
noted, ResourceGroup already allows this via a different interface.

http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/053447.html

>    We have a very concrete use case that require passing parameters on scale
>    out.
>
>    What is the best way to revive this blueprint?

Probably the first thing is to provide a more detailed description of your 
use-case.

I'll try to revive the AutoScalingGroup signal patch mentioned in the thread 
above this week, it's been around for a while and is probably needed for any 
interface where we pass data in to influence AutoScalingGroup adjustment 
behaviour asynchronously (e.g not via the template definition).

https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143496/

Steve

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