On 06/04/2015 11:13 PM, Jamie Lennox wrote:

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From: "Adam Young" <[email protected]>
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Sent: Thursday, 4 June, 2015 2:25:52 PM
Subject: [openstack-dev] [Keystone] Domain and Project naming

With Hierarchical Multitenantcy, we have the issue that a project is
currentl restricted in its naming further than it should be.  The domain
entity enforces that all project namess under the domain domain be
unique, but really what we should say is that all projects under a
single parent project be unique.  However, we have, at present, an API
which allows a user to specify the domain either name or id and project
again, either by name or ID, but here we care only about the name.  This
can be used either in specifying the token, or in operations ion the
project API.

We should change projec naming to be nestable, and since we don't have a
delimiter set, we should expect the names to be an array, where today we
might have:

          "project": {
              "domain": {
                  "id": "1789d1",
                  "name": "example.com"
              },
              "id": "263fd9",
              "name": "project-x"
          }

we should allow and expect:

          "project": {
              "domain": {
                  "id": "1789d1",
                  "name": "example.com"
              },
              "id": "263fd9",
              "name": [ "grandpa", "dad", "daughter"]
          }

This will, of course, break Horizon and lots of other things, which
means we need a reasonable way to display these paths.  The typical UI
approach is a breadcrumb trail, and I think something where we put the
segments of the path in the UI, each clickable, should be
understandable: I'll defer to the UX experts if this is reasonable or not.

The alternative is that we attempt to parse the project names. Since we
have not reserved a delimeter, we will break someone somewhere if we
force one on people.


As an alternative, we should start looking in to following DNS standards
for naming projects and hosts.  While a domain should not be required to
be a DNS registred domain name, we should allow for the case where a
user wants that to be the case, and to synchronize nam,ing across
multiple clouds.  In order to enforce this, we would have to have an
indicator on a domain name that it has been checked with DNS;  ideally,
the user would add a special SRV or Text record or something that
Keystone could use to confirm that the user has oked this domain name
being used by this cloud...or something perhaps with DNSSEC, checking
that auser has permission to assign a specific domain name to a set of
resources in the cloud.  If we do that, the projects under that domain
should also be valid DNS subzones, and the hosts either  FQDNs or some
alternate record...this would tie in Well with Designate.

Note that I am not saying "force this"  but rather "allow this" as it
will simplify the naming when bursting from cloud to cloud:  the Domain
and project names would then be synchronized via DNS regardless of
hosting provider.

As an added benefit, we could provide a SRV or TEXT record (or some new
URL type..I heard one is coming) that describes where to find the home
Keystone server for a specified domain...it would work nicely with the
K2K strategy.

If we go with DNS project naming, we can leave all project names in a
flat string.


Note that the DNS approach can work even if the user does not wish to
register their own DNS.  A hosting provider (I'll pick dreamhost, cuz  I
know they are listening)  could say the each of their tenants picks a
user name...say that mine i admiyo,  they would then create a subdomain
of admiyo.dreamcompute.dreamhost.com.  All of my subprojects would then
get additional zones under that.  If I were then to burst from there to
Bluebox, the Keystone domain name would be the one that I was assigned
back at Dreamhost.
Back up. Is our current restrictions a problem?
I think it will trip people up. It is not an intentional design, but a limitation due to historical accident.


Even with hierarchical projects is it a problem to say that a project name 
still must be unique per domain? I get that in theory you might want to be able 
to identify a nested project by name under other projects but that's not 
something we have to allow immediately.
I thkn so. I think a very common pattern will be having one project for a major application (Trello, Wordpress, Kubernetes) with "dev, qa, staging, live" under it, and now we are telling people they can't have it.


I haven't followed the reseller case closely but in any situation where you had 
off control like that we are re-establishing a domain and so in a multitenancy 
situation each domain can still use their own project names.
Yeah, that is not a problem here: if we nest under a domain, the unique is not an issue.

I feel like discussions around nested naming schemes and tieing domains to DNS 
is really premature until we have people that are actually using hierarchical 
projects.
I would say that hierarchical is well enough trodden territory that we should go with what works. We have DNS, and we have fie systesm, both of which people use all the time. Telling people you can only have one subdirectory named conf would not fly. Let's get this right.




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