On 08/15/2016 03:47 PM, Joshua Harlow wrote:
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I've been experimenting/investigating/playing around with the 'new'
jenkins pipeline support (see https://jenkins.io/doc/pipeline/ for those
who don't know what this is) and it got me thinking that there are
probably X other people/groups/companies that are doing the same thing
and that to me raises the question of 'why don't we work together'.
Why not work together on the thing that people are working together on:
Zuul v3 :)
Fair question,
So in part, because most/some companies (afaik) aren't dropping there
CI/CD solution that they've been working on for years (via say jenkins)
for zuul v3; for better or worse that's the reality that I see things in.
Getting people to adopt and/or replace things for zuul v3 (which doesn't
yet exist?) at such a fundamental level (without such a system most
companies CI/CD does not exist) may take years (if ever).
So nothing against the zuul v3 folks (their effort is worthy IMHO) I
just don't see a way to get there at the current time; thus being more
pragmatic makes me want to contribute on something that has a little
less risk and is a little more 'already known'.
Sure, understood :)
Example of a ci-cd workflow for this (in visual form, for those who are
visually tuned):
https://jenkins.io/images/pipeline/realworld-pipeline-flow.png
Is anyone else looking into how to build jenkinsfiles (or there
equivalents) for the openstack project repos? Perhaps we can work on
them together or perhaps even we can include those same jenkinsfiles in
the project repos themselves (thus making it that much easier to point
jenkins at the external repos and run them through tests, functional
tests, integration tests and so-on).
Honestly, I find Jenkins clunky, Java-centric, GUI-centric, and at this
point, mostly pointless for anyone who doesn't need a GUI for "building"
CI jobs.
No disagreement, the jenkins pipeline and jenkinsfile effort (that seems
to go back for a few years now?) seems to be going in a way that isn't
GUI centric and ... (so ya progress!)
Indeed, groovy is miles better than shoving the world into an XML file
(JJB FTW!).
With nodepool and Zuul, there's simply no purpose to Jenkins any more
for me.
Fair point, and no disagreement on that effort being good and all;
though I can't quite say what companies that do use jenkins (the
majority?) are supposed to do here. Running two systems that appear to
be (starting to?) do the same things seems like a 'not' worthy effort
(even though yes I know there are some fundamental differences in how
they work and what they do).
Sure, I get your point. Disagree that it's not a worthy effort to want
to rid the world of impossible-to-reason-about CI configurations, but I
get your point.
Then again, I also think Slack is slow and pointless compared to IRC.
But, hey, emoji.
Those emjois are the best!
Overall though I don't disagree (I don't like being split over IRC and
slack), but tis the world we (at least some of us) live in.
Yeah, I know... I live in it too.
/me goes to find a decent emoji to slack @cdent...
Best,
-jay
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