"I assume other developers are in the same boat as we often make better tacticians than politicians." +1
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Todd Willey <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 5:26 AM, Mark McLoughlin <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Todd, > > > > On Thu, 2012-01-05 at 18:29 -0500, Todd Willey wrote: > >> On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 5:19 PM, Mark McLoughlin <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > The previous thread here that I contributed to felt a little like > >> > Thierry and I chatting alone in a giant cavern. > >> > > >> > That concerns me for two reasons - (1) the silence of all those > >> > excellent RAX OpenStack developers suggests that those folks are > either > >> > afraid to publicly speak their mind on these matters, or they are > >> > ambivalent about them and (2) there are obviously many other > discussions > >> > happening away from the transparency of this mailing list. > >> > >> Speaking for myself: I'm more interested in driving the code base > >> forward than the foundation. > >> > >> The foundation bits are in the hands of trustworthy people that are > >> very approachable. Knowing I can ask about it at any time, and that > >> it is moving forward without having to constantly bird-dog it makes me > >> happy and able to be productive in other ways. > > > > So, generally speaking, RAX hackers are regularly talking (in-person, on > > private mail, irc, phone?) to the folks working on establishing the > > foundation and are reassured by what they are hearing back? > > Sorry, the point I was trying to get across is that I don't > necessarily need to be in discussions to feel confident. I don't > think I've ever had a conversation about it, but I know they'll be > responsive when pinged, and the people involved have been active in > responding to this thread in the last couple of days. > > > > > I'm reassured that you're reassured (genuinely), but I'd be more > > reassured if such questions and assurances were happening on this list > > where I too could be directly reassured by the assurances given ... if > > you follow me :-) > > I follow you. I just wanted to point out that the reason I'm not > asking on the list is that I'm not asking at all, because I haven't > felt any concerns I needed to voice (yet). I think the early stages > are likely to be very political and getting founding members to feel > good about their positions in the new foundation. Once the > discussions are less strategic and more tactical about how we actually > implement very specific parts of our mission, I'll likely be more > active. I assume other developers are in the same boat as we often > make better tacticians than politicians. > > > > >> I don't think there is going to be any publicly holding back from > >> developers once there are more substantial bits that we have opinions > >> on, and we'll register them on the list the same way as everyone else. > >> Looking at the foundation archives, I'm not sure how you construed > >> silence on behalf of RAX developers more than anyone else in the first > >> place. It is very low volume so you have a poor sample to begin with, > >> and a lot of what is there is in fact from Rackspace employees. > > > > Ok, cool. I'm really looking forward to hearing the thoughts of more > > developers on this stuff. > > > > Thanks for the perspective Todd. > > > > Cheers, > > Mark. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >
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