Websockets is an API for bi-directional client-server communication over TCP, not an implementation. Thereby it's not "an alternative" per se; alternatives to websockets would be long connections with chunked transfer like comet, etc. (which also have issues). There are various implementations of websockets in various languages; the Python implementations have some very serious problems (see my earlier posts in this thread, or the blueprint whiteboard linked below).
For now though, for *anyone* who's interested in that discussion, please direct any further feedback on that future feature to the blueprint (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/realtime-communication). I've linked a number of resources from the blueprint whiteboard. I recommend doing your homework and/or testing your hypotheses for Python-based solutions as there's a lot of prior work in this area that's better-off not being rehashed to death. As far as this thread is concerned, I think we've achieved sufficient consensus on the current topic (LESS) and we'll move forward with that blueprint and code review as such. All the best, - Gabriel > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:openstack- > [email protected]] On Behalf Of > Adam Young > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2012 2:14 PM > To: Devin Carlen > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Openstack] Nodejs in horizon > > On 05/30/2012 04:37 PM, Devin Carlen wrote: > > Long story short - we will work to make node.js an optional build time > component and leave it as an distro packaging issue. node.js was being > evaluated as a potential solution to > https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/realtime-communication, > but that blueprint isn't targeted for Folsom, so it's very future. We'll > have a > lot of time to evaluate python based alternatives. > > Sounds good. Does websockets qualify as an alternative? If so, I'll update > the blueprint > > > > > > > > > Devin > > > > > > On May 29, 2012, at 10:26 AM, Adam Young wrote: > > > >> On 05/29/2012 12:29 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > >>> Without rehashing backstory which is available in public archives of this > thread, while node is currently on the table for LESS it also may play a role > >>> in future needs as well. > >>> > >>> As for your link, yes there are LESS compilers in other languages (there's > even a nascent one in Python that's very much not ready for prime time) but > requiring PHP or any other language besides Python opens a similar can of > worms, and PHP gets us nowhere on any other fronts. > >>> > >>> /me refrains from any other comments about PHP. > >>> > >>> Moreover, the canonical LESS compiler which is the best supported and > most stable is the main one written for node.js. Unless there were a 100% > working Python version I see no reason not to favor the "real" LESS compiler. > >>> > >>> All the best, > >> For LESS, it think it is fine to use even server side Javascript. The CSS > should be compiled at RPM/DEB build time, and not at run time for live > deployments, so that is a bit of a non-issue. I'd also be fine with using > the > client side LESS implementation, especially if we want to use the same > implementation at development and live deployment time, but I can > understand if there are issues with doing this. > >> > >> > >> Node.js is a whole different server side technology, and that should not > be implemented at this time. > >> > >> > >>> - Gabriel > >>> > >>> On May 29, 2012, at 1:00 AM, "Matthias Runge"<mrunge@matthias- > runge.de> wrote: > >>> > >>>> On 28/05/12 16:21, Thierry Carrez wrote: > >>>>> John Postlethwait wrote: > >>>>>> Sorry if I've missed anything below, this thread has become rather > >>>>>> fragmented and messy (at least in my email clients) but I will try to > >>>>>> address the main points I have seen so far: > >>>> Sorry, if I jump in late in this thread, I may have skipped some basics. > >>>> If I get it right, nodejs is just required to compile LESS to css, right? > >>>> > >>>> There is at least one alternative without requiring nodejs: > >>>> > >>>> https://github.com/leafo/lessphp > >>>> -- > >>>> Matthias Runge<[email protected]> > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > >>>> Post to : [email protected] > >>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > >>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > >>> Post to : [email protected] > >>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > >>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > >> Post to : [email protected] > >> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > >> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp > > > _______________________________________________ > Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack > Post to : [email protected] > Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack > More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp _______________________________________________ Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~openstack Post to : [email protected] Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~openstack More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp
