Dear Brian     thanks for reply. May be because there is no cheap AIX, so linux 
and AIX can be sell in different price range. But in here, the market is : 
openstack compete with ESXi or ESX essential plus. We are a consultancy firm, 
our sales are competing with VMware sales. In HK, vmware sales even want us 
die. If we die, the only competitor left is microsoft.The war here is very 

Thanksfrom Peter

Date: Sun, 28 Jul 2013 05:11:03 -0700
Subject: Re: [Openstack] what is the meaning to alliance with VMWare?

OpenStack is an open-source foundation with lots of potential competitors 
working together to build a common infrastructure.  As long as they abide by 
the contributor license agreement anyone is welcome to participate in our 
open-source community.  So, OpenStack doesn't have an "alliance" with VMware.
If you are asking why VmWare chose to participate as heavily as it does in 
OpenStack, there is a lot of business analysis/speculation out there in the 
blogsphere, but the short answer is that markets change.
I'm sure that there were folks wondering why IBM participated in Linux at the 
time when customers were making a decision beween AIX (a total vertical 
solution) and Linux.  AIX and Linux both still exist and IBM makes money on 
both technologies in different markets.—
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On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 12:35 AM, Peter Cheung <> wrote:

Hi All   What is the meaning to alliance with VMWare? In hong kong or china, 
customer is deciding to switch to Openstack from VMWare to save cost. There 
will be nobody to buy vmware solution and build openstack on top of it, and 
there is no one will build their cloud half in vmware and half in openstack 
too. They did that because of some reasons:
1) If customer have budget to purchase vmware, vmware's vendor will provide 
them total solution, 100% in vmware infrastructure. The vendor is not interest 
to sell customer with vmware solution and build an openstack on top of it, 
because they think it is useless. The vendors think the dashboard cannot 
compete with vCenter. vCenter still the best option to manage vmware. 
Similarly, nobody can create a tool to replace microsoft management tool for 
SQL server, noone will get a success.
2) for private cloud, customer is thinking *EITHER* vmware or openstack, that 
mean they are competitor. Why alliance with an enemy?
Thanksfrom Peter (Pandora dev team)                                       
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