Dirk Müller - 21:48  5.01.16 wrote:
> Hi Michal,
> 
> >> Apparently you didn't search the list archives:
> >> http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-arm/2015-11/msg00011.html
> > Yep, I was searching in OBS, didn't expected answer this bad.
> 
> Not sure how that answer is related to the question anyway.. So to summarize:
> 
> Leap 42.1 is in sync with SLE12. Both dropped 32bit support already,
> and we just didn't bother fixing packages for Leap on armv7 (remember,
> its a very old toolchain and a very old base system). Since packages
> are in sync with SLE, it would be difficult if not impossible to get
> 32bit fixes into the tree. I've had my share of experience with
> getting the aarch64 fixes in that I needed in order to bootstrap Leap
> for aarch64 and I had more than enough to do with that, didn't have
> time to do any other architecture anymore.
> 
> >> A workaround for the Arndale boards has been identified by Bernhard and
> >> Dirk during Hackweek, but I'm not sure whether it's deployed yet.
> > Ok, will try to read up what was the issue.
> 
> Nevermind, it is solved.

Great!

> >> > If so, where lives wip so I can help?
> > Hmmm, in general not enough resources to effectively fork whole OBS in
> > long term, don't have powerful enough computer that I can spare for a
> > long time.
> 
> Yeah, I don't think thats a good idea.

Yeah, me neither :-)

> > So you are saying that currently there is no effort to support armv7l on
> > Leap, just somehow building Factory.
> 
> You make that sound like a negative thing. We're supporting
> Tumbleweed, and it is a automatically tested supported distribution,
> building for 3 ARM architectures. I think thats a good situation to be
> in, since I think there is a overlap between those people who play
> with openSUSE on their ARM hardware and those who want the latest,
> coolest stuff. It certainly would be difficult to get ARM related
> fixes into the distribution for Leap.

Having Tumbleweed for ARM is great! No question about that! But having
Leap as well would be even better :-)

> > OBS, it will just cog up and there will be neither Leap nor Tumbleweed
> > as we lack build power. And the workers cannot be distributed outside of
> > NUE datacenter, so I can't contribute my spare CPU cycles. Am I correct?
> 
> Correct, workers for OBS instance build.opensuse.org need to be in the
> isolated network in the NUE datacenter. But thats not an issue since
> build power is not the primary issue, the primary issue is that Leap
> dropped 32bit support.

Well, first answer I got pointed at lack of build power :-) I know Leap
has no official 32bit support but there were times when openSUSE didn't
have arm support.

> > Did somebody already talked to Andrew about our lack of resources?
> 
> Yes and we just got 4 additional servers (today).

Cool!

> > PS: Frankly, I don't care much about images, that's mostly quite easy to
> > do manually, I'm mostly interested in system, so rootfs only is fine for
> > me ;-)
> 
> But why is Tumbleweed not fine for you? there is rootfs there..

For me and for one or two boards it's fine as I'm playing with it. But I
have some boards that are "in production". Both at home and at my
parents. For those I need something that moves slower, doesn't change
that much and can be running there for a year or two, receive just some
conservative bugfixes/security fixes in that period of time and than be
migrated to newer version.
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