Op vrijdag 24 maart 2006 18:43, schreef Andreas Jaeger: > Azerion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > [...] > > Who is harmed when 10.1 is delayed? > > Let me just answer this question - and comment on your specific > problem: > > I'm surprised that you see this 20 times, I never had it more than > once or twice - and I do install a lot. So, if during *install* of > packages, you get the box that often (20 times?), then something looks > broken with what you're doing - or the packages. So, when do you > encounter this?
A broken install (if something goes wrong) does show you lot of messages :). I know the install should not be broken and in the normal situation it isn't but IF it happens you should fix it without a mouse-arm. But okey, point taken. > Everything is open source, so patches are welcome to implement this. > Our developers are working on getting everything working correctly - > and spend long days and weekends on this. I consider the open issues > more important than this issue - and would like to give all of us some > "normal" days and well-earned vacation as well. Well, that one is also something you should consider. The devvers are allready a long time in overload-mode to finish this product. If I know something about most devvers is that if they have worked at 150% for a lng time they almost collaps if the product is finished. After that they are broken and for the devvers with family and friend times like this are not so funny.... Having more time before release would take some of the pressure of the team/process and I think it will be healthy for a lot of devvers and their families. But looking at the points here under I understand that delaying again is impossible. Maybe we should not only freeze the program-versions @ beta1 but also the featureset so coming up with 'this has to be in it, no matter what and no matter how hrad you have to work for it' is not possible anymore. > > So, this is not a blocker for me - it's from the usability point of > view not good at all and should be improved - and therefore let's put > this on the list for 10.2. Okey, point 2 that I have to take. > We've delayed 10.1 already for some time - and SUSE Linux is not just > a software that is released to the ftp server but also a product that > will be sold on the market which gives us extra challenges: > > So, our sales and operations people have to do a lot of logistics: > Reserving slots in the fab, getting manuals printed, getting boxes > printed, putting media and manuals into the box - and then shipping it > to distributors that ship it to shops. The distributors and shops > have to get informed about a release, order boxes and sell them - and > we have to do marketing as well... - and a delay would have an impact > on the boxes sold, remember Novell has it's stockholders. Darn, taking this third punt also :-P > On the other hand, shipping a product that's so broken that nobody > wants to buy it is even worth - and that's why I asked initially about > the state of the product and how you perceive it. I listen to you - > and went today to most of our developers and asked them on their view > of 10.1 and got from most a "go ahead" - and make then a decision and > somebody will not agree with me it but I have to make one. Delay is > one option, shifting priorities is another one - and then there are > bugs that you only find after people have used the product for a > couple of months, or newly found security holes - and that's why we > need patches handling (online update)... Well, I have seen today that a lot of bugs have being fixed in the last days. (probably some of the bugs finally are marked as duplicates of hidden but fixed items). So with some weeks to go I think we are gonna make it. But shit, why am I overruled by you're explanation......? ;-) Azerion --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
