>>> On 29/11/2007 at 09:51, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stephan Kulow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Am Donnerstag 29 November 2007 schrieb Hans Petter Jansson:
> 
>> It's not just about individual users, but also about organizations that
>> have to comply with disability laws, and the bigger publicity picture -
>> a bullet point for the corporate types that shows that we're ahead.
> In the end it's one feature among others. And while it's certainly nice to 
> have for the reasons you outline to have a distribution/installer for 
> everyone, it's not a must have from my point of view.
> 
Yes... From your point of view but if I may, your point of view is as someone 
who doesn't need to worry about how much
productivity is lost because you need to get someone else from your office to 
help you with a basic installation of an
operating system.  I agree there is a lot to do, however from OpenSuSE's 
perspective, a lot of the gnome accessibility
development is done by people in the Gnome, Orca  and at-spi teams.  OpenSuSE 
when you think of it hasn't really had to
spend a lot of resources on accessibility.  Making the installation and indeed 
yast it's self more accessible would go a
long way toward making it a viable choice for a lot of users.  Considering the 
possibilities that Yast offers, the
evolution of accessibility in this tool would almost certainly make the 
distribution more welcomeing.

With the recent advances in graphical accessibility in Linux in general, I 
don't believe making the OpenSuSE installer
accessible would really take that much work from a developer who knew the 
system well. It would also pave the way for
other enhancements in OpenSuSE.  

> As a matter of fact, as long as my wife can't install openSUSE without human 
> 
> assistance I don't see it as must have for blinds to be able to do it. I 
> would be much more worried if they couldn't use the system and that's 
> what we should concentrate on. And if I understand Darragh correctly, there
> is a lot left to do. So please don't let us waste our time in things you do 
> once as long as things in everyday's life are broken.
> 
If this means that you would be willing to work on other areas of OpenSuSE 
accessibility then I would certainly welcome
this advancement. 

> But as you said, having e.g. a magnifier should be a worthy first step.
> 

A magnifier would still not provide eyes free access to the installation. IF 
you are going to work on magnifying the
interface, why not take one small step further and provide the option of 
enabling feedback via synthesized speech for
some of the more complicated parts of the installation. 

At the moment, I can memorise quite a lot of the parts of the installation. 
Example, when it lodes, I know the order of
the boot menu, to choose the uk language I just press the up arrow and hit alt 
n for next. 
The main parts of the installation that I require assistance on are the 
timezone selection and the software and
partition selector.  

I don't think anyone expects this problem to be solved over night however 
working on key stages of the installation and
building the project up gradually would be better than doing nothing at all. 

Thanks


Darragh Ó Héiligh
OpenSuSE TEchnical Support.
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