On 21 September 2012 19:57, Jim Henderson <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, 21 Sep 2012 10:42:04 +0200, Florian Leparoux wrote: > >>>> In fact there is a thread in alionet.org, in the ML-FR, a discussion >>>> with opensuse moderator, #opensuse-fr and for finish in this ML > > Just to clarify, what I meant was the moderators on the French forums on > forums.opensuse.org - I don't know if there's overlap in our French forum > staff and Alionet, but they should definitely all be included in the > discussion if they're not already.
We discuss with the most people we can. I'm following 5 or 6 different thread in four different structures in order to be sure to read everything on this topic ^_^ Basically, I want this merge to happen, so I must be aware of all the opinions aroung the table. > > I should also mention (for those who may not be aware), I'm one of the > non-technical admins on the openSUSE forums (though I've been involved in > a lot of the technical side of things as well and know the infrastructure > involved). > >>> In my opinion, though, three things must not disappear. First, the CMS >>> (for the news), then the blogs. There are not much that are written in >>> french, and that's a good store front. People interested in openSUSE >>> can have news about it in french. That may seem silly, but... well... >>> french people are not always at their ease when it comes to speak >>> english. So they can't stay tuned with the projects and actions made by >>> openSUSE, or not in a single place. > > CMS is a part of the current releases of vBulletin, so blogs and articles > aren't an issue. Should the merge take place to forums.opensuse.org, > that's something that's easily acommodated. Nice to hear. Note that the fact that we both use vBulletin is a kind of chance : whatever the final decision, it should be technically feasible thanks to that. > >>> That said, it's time to speak about the forums. Alionet is way more >>> used than the french forum in forums.opensuse.org. There are many more >>> posts there... Of course, that does not do everything. That's just some >>> "fact"... If we consider only people using forums (everybody does not >>> particpate to a project the same way... some prefer MLs, other IRC, >>> other forums, some use many of them...), it seems the Alionet community >>> is wider. I may be wrong. > > It may be a larger community - but I think the discussion shouldn't > necessarily be about which is "larger", but what makes sense for the > project. I think if the openSUSE Forums' French category were made "the > place to go", we'd have more traffic there. > Yes, certainly. But on the short term, I'm not sure it would work. I'm not sure people in Alionet would vote to migrate in the openSUSE infrastructures. I fear that would just kill the current project, and I don't wish that. >>> On the technical side, we're actively working to enable nntp. That's a >>> problem because, for historical reasons[1], our DB uses an iso charset, >>> while the vBulletin nntp plugin requires UTF8. The SSO part may be more >>> difficult, however... > > Actually, the NNTP gateway issue is more serious than just a character > set. The NNTP gateway itself hasn't been maintained by the original > creator (not that it ever was, it's not an 'official' plugin) since > vBulletin 3. I currently maintain it for the forums hosted by Novell/ > NetIQ/SUSE/openSUSE, mostly providing bug fixes and minor enhancements. > Getting it to work with vBulletin 4 took some work, but it is working. > We also migrated from ISO- charsets to UTF8 already (that was really > needed on a forum with multiple languages - selecting ISO charsets caused > issues if you switched, for example, from Chinese to French). > About nntp : waw, that seems to have been a hard work. Is it, by any chance, reusable ? About charset : That's interesting. Do you have any hints so that we can make it faster ? Have you written your procedure somewhere ? >>> I hope this message helps the debate in some ways. I will follow this >>> thread, of course... as I do most of the time on openSUSE MLs. > > Thanks, that does help a lot - and in the end, whatever the project and > community opt for, those of us on the forums will do what we can to > support the decision made. :) Ultimately, it's about the community. > Thanks a lot for that. Your help is really appreciated. Best wishes, Alexis. -- OrbisGIS supporter. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] To contact the owner, e-mail: [email protected]
