On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 14:34 +0200, Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:54:30 +0200 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > On Thursday 30 September 2010 00:26:09 Helen wrote:
> > > How hard is it to convert to multiple e-reader formats including
> > > PDF?
> > 
> > That is actually a pretty good point. If our Wiki is good enough in
> > terms of content, we can try and figure out how to automate creating
> > a book. Well, fully automatic would probably be hard - a book would
> > need a bit of layouting. But having all the content on the wiki, then
> > using it for a complementary book - I think that's the way to go.
> 
> I completely disagree. You are proposing to create documentation in a
> completely unstructured format and then writing parsers attempting to
> create an exchangeable format.
> 
> It is re-inventing the wheel by starting with a rectangle.
> 
> We already have all the style-sheets for XML to provide the formats we
> need (including wiki text).
> 
> -- 
> Regards
>         Frank
> 
> Frank Sundermeyer, Technical Writer, Documentation
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Summarizing as I've been reading the posts on this thread throughout the
day on my Blackberry.

Frank, welcome to the Marketing list and I'm glad you were able to speak
up about your role with documentation.  I absolutely agree that  content
discussion should be taken to the documentation mailing list and am glad
to see we're bringing together different people under one umbrella.
this should help to further enhance openSUSE documentation efforts.

The fact that many didn't realize the depth of your work emphasizes that
we need to do more "inner-marketing" to our own community about what
currently exists and how to engage with teams such as yours.  we spend
much time thinking about reaching out and too little time about reaching
in.  Your presence is definitely a wake-up call for us.  :-)

There are still some aspects of the discussion that still falls under
marketing.  Mainly in the area of visibility and getting proper
documentation/books/material/etc. into as many hands as possible.  In
this way, we should definitely work together and leverage each other's
strengths.  This is why I created the liaison function to keep better
aware of many things going on within the community itself.

I supported the discussion in its beginning mainly because lately, I've
been getting tired of seeing too many books for other distros and none
from ours.  O'Reilly stores at conferences and events carry Fedora and
Ubuntu books, but no openSUSE books.  visiting a major book store
usually finds us only able to locate just one copy of a book, if we're
even that lucky.  And truly annoying lately is when I visit Amazon.com
and the Recommended books section prominently displays other distro
books, and not our own.  

Such documentation and books are not only a valuable necessity for
getting knowledge into the right hands but also for increasing the
visibility of openSUSE to the public and reminding them that we're still
here, we're still strong and we're still awesome.  :-)

I will continue to support any endeavors by anyone to increase the
availability and accessibility of such materials.

At some point when I'm back home, I'll test the ebook link you gave us
and see how it works on my Kindle.  What is the best way to provide
feedback without having to join the documentation mailing list?

Bryen M Yunashko
openSUSE Marketing Team lead


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