Is this the GNU/Linux vs. Linux useless argument thread, or the vi vs. emacs useless argument thread? I got lost about a dozen posts (~100 paragraphs) back... :P
- James Mason 'bear454' On Thu, Oct 28, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Graham Lauder <[email protected]> wrote: > On Friday 29 Oct 2010 12:20:56 you wrote: > > > H i Nelson > >> Graham, >> >> We shared different opinions in the past, but I think we speak the same >> language in this case. > > If we agreed all the time it would be a boring world indeed. :) Varying > opinions are a given in OSS projects, I suspect that we simply have different > backgrounds in Marketing and that tends to colour our views. When I first got > into marketing there was no such thing as MBAs and the like and one learnt the > craft at the coalface. I founded my first company in 1975 and was thrown in > at the deep end as it were and frankly it wasn't until the third one that I > started to get it right.:) > >> I've noticed a "OpenOffice.org Migration and >> training Consultant." on your signature, so eventually I assume that you >> know that for most people openoffice isn't really about code or project >> management, but about other issue, the tool provided > > Indeed, it's a concept I often have to drum into client Project Managers, it's > not about software it's about people, people just want to do their job > >> >> I wrote it probably in a very raw and superficial way. I don't knwo the >> structure of the openoffice community neither their inner problems. I >> honestly don't care, but I do care about the success of a free office >> suit that can provide good contents. > > It's a huge community, all the others, including the distributions, are > dwarfed by comparison. > > There are 32,000 people subscribing to the mail lists at last count, around > 1000 signatories to the JCA (joint copyright assignment that gives you access > to the CVS. Corporate Contributors sometimes have one each, so the Novell guys > may have 50 devs working on it [it should be noted that some are > philosophically opposed to the JCA and so their contributions just go to go- > ooo], consequently the actual number is bigger although volatile, depending on > the policies of the particular corporate) > > Over a hundred Native language projects, each with it's own QA, Marketing and > L10n teams. The level two projects also have their own web team. There are > already multiple versions (Lotus Symphony, Oxygen Office, RedOffice, Go- > oo.org, EuroOffice, OOo4kids and now LibO.) So this is not a new thing. The > new thing is The Document Foundation and the fact that it is driven by people > at the top of the OOo community tree. Having said all this, most considered > that Oracle would join and so everything would stay the same except for > ownership of the copyright. Hasn't work out that way yet, we are still > communicating, maybe in the future. > >> OpenOffice did it, at least for >> Portuguese the Dictionary and Thesaurus (which were community >> contributions) were far superior than any comercial product I know out >> there. This part of the community, probably agnostic to code, is loosing >> with such fork. That's the concerning part, alongside with an image that >> took a long time to build. > > True, fortunately the people that have crossed to LibO are well aware. The > Broffice team from Brazil who are the major contributors to the Portugese > translations have joined with libO and the Lead of the NLC (Native Language > Confederation), Charles Schultz is one of the founders/ Steering Committee as > is Florian Effenberger, ex OOo Marketing project lead and so on. The reason > there was such an uproar was because these guys and others of the TDF founders > were members of OOo's management body, the Community Council. > > However there are still a lot of us that support both, we don't see > competition right now, that may change in the future. I still retain my > appointment as Marketing Contact for New Zealand, OOo is still my primary > focus but I will recommend other versions to clients if they are a better fit > to the environment they are going to. > >> >> I'm sure Libre and Open Office have already a batallion of people far >> smarter than I do to sort this things out. I hope so. Trully do. > > Feel free to come on board, it's fascinating right now, branding and marketing > from the ground up. What we do now will affect the project for years to come. > >> >> How's your time Graham? You are native english speaker, which is nice, >> and since your field is marketing as well, would be interested in >> working a marketing article along with me on the subject and submit it >> to the "Journal of Marketing"? It's a long shot to get it approved, but >> we could try :) > > Most definitely, I have often thought of doing something and I'm at a bit of a > loose end right now since I broke my hand, just that I'm forced to type really > slowly > > Cheers > GL > >> >> nelson >> >> On Fri, 2010-10-29 at 01:46 +1300, Graham Lauder wrote: >> > Firstly I saw no real criticism, I thought Nelson's blog summed up >> > the >> > situation from Marketing perspective quite well, everything he >> > poisnted out we >> > are quite aware of. > > > -- > Graham Lauder, > OpenOffice.org MarCon (Marketing Contact) NZ > http://marketing.openoffice.org/contacts.html > > OpenOffice.org Migration and training Consultant. > > INGOTs Assessor Trainer > (International Grades in Open Technologies) > www.theingots.org > -- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] > For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected] > > -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [email protected] For additional commands, e-mail: [email protected]
