Thanks for all the info, I'll need some time to mull it over - but if I hit any more snags I'll let you know.

Really my main interest in waiting for SuSe 10 gold DVD was simply convienience - it is a one time setup process and I can buy the DVD and get support etc along with all the other benefits of just doing a one time install. I am possibly just a tad lazy, as a DVD just allows me to install everything I might possibly need in one go and then go out for a walk for an hour or so while it installs. I am also TBH not really very interested in having lot's of very beta applications on my system, or beta Window managers and so on - the only thing that interests me really your patch set and your kernels (and also your patched ATI drivers - since ATI still suck at keeping up with the latest kernel builds) and anything really that gives my standard SuSe install a nice big performance boost.

It is nice to have several different versions of SuSe that one can install - including a minimal one CD version - but these kinds of installs are equally achievable via the official SuSe 10 DVD. (I guess the single CD version is useful for those few remaining people who don't have a DVD drive). So really for me just focusing on your patches and your kernels is enough.

I can still of course report on any problems I find, but ultimately as I do have a DVD drive (indeed I have several DVD drives) I don't see any real need to use a seperate single CD installer. Besides which from my POV, the less uncertainty I introduce into the loop the better.

An example of this is the Sax2 bug. I have tested 10.0 RC1 on the same system and Sax2 functions normally. But on your CD it does not. (BTW regrettably there is no error output, the process simply dies before Sax2 ever launches). While you might not intend to intruduce errors into a minimalist type install, over time this might be more difficult to do as users increasingly report more and more errors to you and you struggle to fix them. At least with 10.0 official, if Sax2 (or any other component) craps out I will know exactly who to approach.

In any case that is my intention, I intend to trouble you only with issues relating to your patches and your kernels - and to approach the SuSe 10 main development team with issues relating to everything else.

Best regards,

GJ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andreas Girardet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [opensuse-optimize] Kernel Sources on Suse 10.0 Gold?


On Tue, Oct 4, 2005 at  8:49 am, in message
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Hi I hope you will forgive me for asking, but I installled SUPER Suse
and
overall I am very impressed with it. However I still want to install
Suse 10

final Gold when it comes out, as I have a fairly slow internet
connection
and the SuSe 10 DVD will save me some time in downloading lots of
stuff.
Super is still a little bare for my tastes (not many packages) in
that it
appears to be a testbed purely built for speed.


Why are you sayign this. Super contains all packages of SUSE and more,
since it uses the apt repository. They just do not install by default.

I am thinking of creating a DVD of the apt repository? Would that
help.

The problem is that I do very much like the speed of SUPER, so I was

wondering if there was a way to add the sources for SUPER for apt-
get and/or
YAST in a standard SUSE 10.0 Gold install, so that I can then easily
install



Sure. Just add this to your /etc/apt/sources.list

rpm      http://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt SuSE/10.0-i386  rpmkeys
base java update extra suser-jengelh suser-guru usr-local-bin
suser-jogley packman packman-i686  wine suse-people suse-projects
security

rpm     http://opensuse.linux.co.nz/apt/suser-agirardet apt/10.0 super


the kernel and all of the patches in the standard version of SuSe? I
ask as
then I could have the best of both worlds... The great package
selection of
SuSe with the fantasic speed and responsiveness of SUPER Suse.


The package selection of SUSE is already included and you can just use
your normal SUSE DVD with SLICK anyhow. Just install SLICK and add the
SUSE DVD as sources.

Apt provides an easy way to update and add software too.


If so how would I go about adding these sources and what exactly
would I
need to do to install them?


apt: Have apt installed and add the above into /etc/apt/sources.list.
Then

apt-get update
apt-get install kynaptic





Also it would be cool to have APT get preincluded on Super suse and
set up
with some good repositories as this can be a painful experience for a
new
user to have to do.

SLICK has all that. The normal 1 CD installer is based on SUSE standard
and I will not change that since that is the whole point in the normal 1
CD install to have it all standard as opposed to SLICK which is
modified.

So use SLICK and you have apt included and kynaptic set up and the
system is even more responsive.

Also from reading the Super Suse web site, it says that the ATI
drivers are
easy to install via YOU, but when I look in YOU it lists my CD drive
as the
only avaiable software install source -  and there is no ATI fglrx
drivers
listed.


I am in process of adding the drivers to my apt respository.

Please can someone tell me how I can fix this too? What is the exact

proceedure for installing the ATI fglrx drivers in Super Suse?


Install gcc, make and kernel-sources
Get and install

http://opensuse.linux.co.nz/ftp/pub/SUPER/files/fglrx_6_8_0_SUSE100-8.16.20-1.i386.rpm


then

sax2 -r -m 0=fglrx -b /usr/share/doc/packages/fglrx/sax2-profile


Lastly I have a bug report. Unfortunately Sax2 in Super Suse is
broken for
me. It is also broken for at least two other people I have spoken to
on a
popular internet based Linux forum. It simply will not launch at all
for me.


Can you be more specific. Any error messages?

super-openSUSE-RC1-20050911-standard-kde.iso

is just standard openSUSE SUSE Linux 10.0 RC1

super-SLICK-RC1-20051003-modified-kde.iso

is modified and contains the SUPER patches, ck5 and apt/kynaptic
properly set up.



TBH I think it would be better instead of supplying a whole new
distribution, if the SUPER Suse development team simply focused
exclusively
on releasing kernels and patches and on enhancing performance and
allowing
SuSe users to install these kernels and patches on their standard
Suse
machines. Gentoo has a very large menu of kernels and patches that
one can
install -  some of which are very experimental -  but so long as you
warn the
user about the possible dangers of these patches, I don't really
envisage
where there would be a problem.


We are not supplying a whole distribution. We are in fact supplying a 1
CD installer to

a.) Installer standard suse with 1 CD
b.) Install a modified suse with the patches added with 1 CD


In fact we are in fact trying to stay away from supplying a whole
distro as SLICK can be updated using the public yast update system for
SUSE 10.0 as opposed to having our own updates. One can either use
kynaptic with SLICK to update to bleeding edge or use the normal SUSE
YOU to update to stable.

Again:

The patches are not added in

super-openSUSE-RC1-20050911-standard-kde.iso

but in

super-SLICK-RC1-20051003-modified-kde.iso


Andreas


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