On Tue, Apr 11, 2006 at 05:46:38PM +0200, jdd wrote:
> > SUSE might not have it, but openSUSE is about the community. They are the
> > people that make SUSE and that community needs to know where to go with
> > the found bugs. It is a main part of the site.
> 
> I still think it gives the idea SUSE is broken. A car vendor
> don't advertise the crashes he get :-)

I think it is what openSUSE is about: community involvement. Bug reporting
is a mjor part of that.

> > 
> > So my idea is:
> >                             
> > About openSUSE
> >  What is openSUSE/FAQ
> 
> these three should be one. Don't forget there is a new
> column on the right
> >  Events
> >  News
> >  Roadmap

Yes, no problem there. Two links should not make their own 'chapter' on
the links, so some more need be added, or they need to be placed
elsewhere.

> 
> I think you mix two things
> 
> * the front page
> * the sidebar.
> 
> the sidebar is there anytime on the left. No need to have
> there all the detailed doc.

I think it needs to be there all the time. Especially becuse they are
essentialy the wiki. Perhaps in other wording. Now tey are way too much
hidden. I can imagine that a new user of the site stubles on them only by
accident.

> but on the center panel of the front page, we could have
> "most wanted links":
> 
> * ftp download of stable
> * howto beta test the unstable
> * I never met SUSE Linux, what may I know?
> * product Highlight (but the real one, not the present
> mess=what have this product that makes it special)
> (...)

A 'most wanted' can be made by looking at hits. It should be independent
from what else is there.

Perhaps asking the visitors what they expect from the site might give an
insight into how to rebuild the site. Now we are just rearraging some
links, without real feedback of the visitors.

What we need to figure out is how to get to information on the site from
any page, regardless of where they enter the site.

Just imagine you have no knowledge of SUSE and are willing to try it out.
This is the path that I would follow:
1) http://en.opensuse.org/Welcome_to_openSUSE.org
2) http://en.opensuse.org/Download
3)
http://www.novell.com/products/suselinux/downloads/suse_linux/instructions_eval.html
(or http://tinyurl.com/c5w6n)
Now I am stuck on the Novell site. :-( )

Again: 1) and 2) and then
3) http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version
4) http://en.opensuse.org/Released_Version#Downloads where I download the
   5 CD's and burn them.
Ok, I am ready to install
5) http://en.opensuse.org/Frequently_Asked_Questions. Oh, that's not it
6) Just try http://en.opensuse.org/Documentation Mmm. Nothing on
   installing SUSE there. :-(
7) Oh, wait. Some more links to Novell. It looks as if the interesting
   stuff is on Novell. First the download and now the link to the 10.0
   Startup.
8) Doh! 404! Let's ask on IRC/Usenet/Mailinglist how I must install this.

I know I should go to http://en.opensuse.org/User_Documentation, but there
is no obvious reason to do so. For all I care these are pages about the
users themselves. That page should realy be at the frontpage, perhaps with
a different name or description.

houghi
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