Frank Sundermeyer wrote:
> On Wednesday 02 August 2006 09:38, jdd wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> Rajko M a écrit :
>
>>> I don't know how much work is to translate the
>>> http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/1/17/OpenSUSE-splash-003.png
>>> to a working model, but I have feeling that this and some section
>>> under the logo, like article of the month that will pull people to
>>> visit en.opensuse.org can be the right thing to do, right now.
>> I regret to have to strongly desagree. such modification is
>> completely pointless on a _hub_ page. Even search box is
>> questionable.
>> this page is _not_ the usual page anybody must use, only a
>> page one must go to the first time (yes, it can be used from
>> time to time).
>> In no way we should give the user the feeling it is the
>> dayly entry point for openSUSE
If user wants to go that way, for good or no good reason, why not.
You was teacher, and you know that simple portal with search box and one
link that is changing once in a while will be perceived as boring and
users that bookmark this one will quit using it.
> I totally agree with jdd on this point - it's a splash screen that
> serves as an entry point for users coming to opensuse for the first
> time.
> I do not like the idea of having additional content in English on this
> page - it would be unfair to people who do not speak English.
Who is browsing the web and doesn't know at least a little bit of English.
> And BTW - having to logos (the tail and the complete openSUSE logo) on
> the page breaks design/layout. It looks somewhat awkward (IMHO).
It looks fine if you want to underscore SUSE everywhere :-)
It is left, it is right, it is close and far. For this we need couple
more "SUSE-enchen" around :-)
> Nevertheless:
> -------------
> We need to call attention to the fact that English is the "master"
> language and that most of the content is not available in the localized
> wikis.
Stand that English is source (master) and others are copies is already
overruled in the practice. The article about Midnight Commander was on
de.opensuse.org first, now is a bit expanded on en.opensuse.org too ;-)
So far I can recall, Jean has few more originals on fr.opensuse.org that
might be useful if he finds time and resources to reverse the information
flow.
> IMHO this is a task for the localized starting pages. I would
> propose to add a short paragraph to the very first box on each
> localized page with something like:
>
> "This is the XXX version of openSUSE. Not all articles have been
> translated to XXX, yet - so if you cannot find information on a special
> topic, please have a look at the <link>English version of
> openSUSE</link>."
Not good.
Translation is never ending job.
Even, some of pages in mandatory list are for localized wikies of no
practical value, just information what you can find on en.opensuse.org,
what options are available, etc.
Example is already discussed Report a Bug, to use it one has to be able
to use bugzilla, and that is English only.
There is more examples where page should exist, but it has to be filled
more with local content, like Todo, Tasks, Projects, Teams, Events, and
probably more.
Keep as it is now. If page is not translated and there is some
interest for it, include disclaimer in local language and link to
English version.
> What are the alternatives:
> - wikipedia-like article count
> Well, we are in no way close to the numbers of wikipedia, so the
> numbers might look a bit depressing ;-))
The percentage of all articles including original written in that
language compared to en.opensuse.org. A bit of marketing :-)
Skip what is not in your favor.
BTW, I'm satisfied with a number of articles. It's growing every day.
Not that all is super, but it's growing, and taking that main topic for
openSUSE is
Computer - Operating System - Linux - SUSE
which is quite smaller than Wikipedia's, we are doing good.
> - making the English link more prominent on the splash screen
> Would this really make clear that there is more content in the English
> wiki?
Might be solution, but than Article of the Month might be better with
the potential to develop to something really for all.
> - add a disclaimer (such as the one above) to the splash screen
See above, please.
> People who do not speak English wouldn't have a chance to understand
> what the text is about.
The link to the "Article of the Month" on English wiki would be nice way
to pull attention, without obligation to understand message. Later it
can be the article of the month on any wiki; the criteria to publish it,
can be how many translations to other wikies it has.
>>>> http://www.suse.de/~fs/opensuse/home.html
>> I still think there are too many things in this page. on
>> small screen the icon in the right column makes it unusable
>> (I don't see the use of icons is this column)
>
> I have removed the icons from the very right column now.
>
I wasn't bothered with icons on right, but I can agree with Jean.
It looks cleaner now. I consider this solved as graphic layout.
Now about content.
http://files.opensuse.org/opensuse/en/3/33/Frontpage-simple-005.png
Present intro to who we are.
1- "the world's most usable Linux" is mentioned twice in one paragraph.
No need to mention that it is in any language considered problematic.
2- "The program provides anyone with free and easy access to the world's
most usable Linux distribution"
then later
"We work together to create and distribute the world's most usable Linux"
We either have it, or we are creating it.
Can't be both.
3-"There are many ways you can participate in the openSUSE project.
First you should get a copy of SUSE Linux and install it on your machine."
Visitor can see two paragraphs right below that tell the same, so this
is redundant.
4-"Here at openSUSE.org, you'll find a community of developers, end
users, and other open source enthusiasts who all have the same goal in mind"
"Other open source enthusiasts" might be business owners, but
opensuse.org is non commercial site, and it is hard to imagine that any
will appear.
Of course, race with the time is guilty for some overzealous cuts, like
missing Communicate link in the left pane. The link "More..." will lead
to "How to Participate" page.
--
Regards,
Rajko.
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