On 2012/06/26 04:38 (GMT-0400) Stefan Dirsch composed:

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 22:50 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

 I've been doing only minimal installs of Factory lately. I also set
 solver.onlyRequires=true and use only zypper for package management.

Hmm. Looking for trouble?

Isn't that what using milestones, betas & Factory are about? :-)

I'm looking for some more particular trouble than those who do default installs, like deps that shouldn't be, and that should. By-products are quicker zypper dups, and smaller / partitions required. Besides, if I didn't choose to install something, odds are if it's broken, and I try to use it, I wouldn't recognize a problem exists.

 Today I notice on such an rv380 installation that I had incompletely
 installed Xorg even though KDE 4.8.4 works using startx, but KDM
 didn't, and still doesn't for reasons unknown to me.

 In trying to get KDM to work I noticed xorg-x11 hadn't been
 installed, so I did zypper in xorg-x11. That resulted in 4 packages
 to install, including twm and xdm.

xorg-x11 has become a meta package to collect all required and possibly useful
X sample apps like

xdm, xmodmap, ...

 Why on a system with kdm already installed are twm and xdm required?

xdm scripts are used by kdm

Is this an upstream "feature"?

twm is still used as a fallback by the xdm init script.

That I have noticed on occasion, and usually find that it starts instead of a KDE session (that won't start because something's broken or missing) annoying.

Meanwhile I have one B2 system on which "init 5/telinit 5" instantly returns zilch and no new Xorg.0.log, while startx works fine. I may just make that my next target of a fresh install instead of trying to figure out why. :-p
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