On Tue, Oct 11, 2005 at 07:19:09AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: > > I agree. However in the past if you bought SUSE there was already so much > > in it that that starting to make your own was not really worth it, Perhaps > > If I had thought that, there wouldn't be my repository today ;)
:-) I hope you understand I was talking in general. The fact that you and others did the rest took away the will to start one on your own. > > RedHat rpm's (or other RPM's) just worked out of the box. Why would > > somebody start making an rpm package for each and every distro around. > > Because that's just not true at all. Most Redhat/Fedora/Mandriva/whatever > RPMs won't work on SUSE > Linux, because each distribution has its own idiosyncrasies about where to > install certain files > (*), the names of the libraries (dependencies) (**), the available versions > of libraries > (dependencies) (***), how to configure and run daemons (****), etc... The programs I tried worked. The more complex ones were in SUSE or on the existing repo's. > Yes. And ? That's the whole point of making RPMs for SUSE Linux. > Same goes for the others: if you do a Debian package, it won't be available > for Mandriva, Redhat, > Fedora, SUSE. If you do a Mandriva package, it won't be available for Redhat, > Debian, SUSE. > What's your point here ? :) That it would be much nicer if packages were interchangeble. Especialy when it comes to RPM based distro's. > That's not going to change anytime soon, we have to live with it. I understand that, but it should also not be a thing were we say: Oh well, that is just the way it is. We should change it and look for something that works. Wether this is a change in RPM, a new packaging model or something completely different, I do not know. I am just not the person who sits down, shrugs and say: C'est la vie. > >> And I really think that the core > >> distro should shrink a little (or at least stop growing) because at some > >> point, quantity would get over quality, and that's definately not what > >> any of us want. It's up to the openSUSE community to grow more packagers. > > > > Stop growing, because people expect SUSE to be humongous. It is as if SUSE > > as a distro goes to eleven with the number of included packages. > > Stop growing ? Are you kidding me ? I was refering to : should shrink a little (or at least stop growing). From those two I would say: stop growing. In numbers of packagers, we're near 0, we *must* have more > With "growing packagers" I mean that those few people doing it now should > pick up 2 or 3 really > motivated volunteers and coach them, help, review their spec files, etc... > That would be a good start. Give me time. I first have to pick up some experience. See my posting in packager. > Or join Packman, where we already have a slightly larger team (around 7-8 > active packagers) and > especially where we have an infrastructure. Step by step. First I must learn to walk. > We already had some discussion about it, I'm sure you've seen the threads > some 2-3 weeks ago. > Note that we almost have "one huge repo", and that's Packman. I know. And due to the legal parts, it will not be really possible. Does not mean I realy, realy, realy want it. :-) > Having it added at installation time isn't really necessary. Not necessary, convinient. Now I see a lot of people asking how to start using mp3, how to get other programs, where to download X, and all the answers are the same. Add an instalation source. If these were added during instalation, these questions would not arise. I understand that you are directly looking at the problems and objections that could arise. I am just saying what we should have as a goal and then look how far we can get. This does not have to be solved today. It is food for thought. At this moment I have 7 instalation sources: 1. my HD 2. /usr/src/packages/RPMS 3. inst-source 4. inst-source-java 5. GM-Extra 6. Packman 7. Guru Now what I would like as an end goal or as a target or thing to aim for is that 4-7 are one instalation source and that all of these are added by default. Possible? Not at this moment, although the first steps are being taken. 6 and 7 getting together. houghi -- Quote correct (NL) http://www.briachons.org/art/quote/ Zitiere richtig (DE) http://www.afaik.de/usenet/faq/zitieren Quote correctly (EN) http://www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
