On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Christoph Thiel wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Oct 2005, Aschwin Marsman wrote:

Dear Christoph,

Thanks for your quick reply.

> > Looks like a promising project to me, but I have two remarks:
> > - I can't view the videos, time outs occur.
> 
> The server that delivers the videos seems to be down. I'v escalated this 
> to Novell IS&T.
 
The server wasn't available yesterday evening when I tried again, but it
is available now. It would have been wise to make sure the website and
it's contents are available if Novell is putting a press release on the
web though.
 
> > - The video's are taken from the Ximian website, which I would not 
> >   describe as desktop neutral if you want to perform usability tests on 
> >   different parts of the KDE and GNOME desktops.
> 
> If you look at the videos, you'll find that both KDE and GNOME were 

I couldn't look at the videos yesterday, but I'm currently watching one.

> tested. Quoting betterdesktop.openSUSE.org: "Over the past year, we have 
> conducted many usability tests on different parts of the KDE and GNOME 
> desktops."

That's not my point, I know they did test on both KDE and GNOME, but I
can't see ximian as an unbiased entity when you are doing those tests.
Have they developed improvements for KDE since Novell took them over?

> >   Is Novell's desktop future on GNOME?
> 
> No. Neither GNOME nor KDE are the privileged Novell desktop environment - 
> they both have the same status.

But what about specific installation tooling and new applications: I don't hope
Novell is creating a Yast specific for GNOME, one for KDE and one written
in MONO?

It could be done off course by using something like an observer like pattern:
create the functionality (backend) once and have different views on it using 
a GNOME/KDE/... frontend. What are the ideas on this for the OpenSUSE project?

As a usability example: I would like to have the ability to make some 
improvements (in my opinion) to e.g. you: When downloading the patches and 
everything went will I don't want to press the Finish button myself, I would 
like a checkbox that gives me the option to specify the behaviour I described 
above. When will development be open for these kind of issues, and who will 
decide if a proposed patch will be included or not?

Some short info about myself to put my remarks above in place: I'm a software
developer based in the Netherlands, started in 1990 with Ultrix on a VAX and 
started with the SLS Linux distribution in 1993. I have developed technical
software which mostly also included user interfaces for e.g. wafer steppers,
air/vessel traffic control, radiotherapy and I'm currently working on
self-checkout solutions for supermarkets. I've almost always worked on a 
UNIX/Linux platform.

> Regards
>       Christoph
 
Have a nice weekend,
 
Aschwin Marsman
 
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