-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ralf Müller wrote: > On Donnerstag 27 Oktober 2005 14:57, Marcus Rueckert wrote: >> On 2005-10-27 13:24:17 +0200, Jerry Westrick wrote: >>> On Thursday 27 October 2005 14:20, Ralf Müller wrote: >>>> Is there a chance that we will see FWBuilder >>>> (http://www.fwbuilder.org/) included in an upcomming OpenSuse >>>> release? >> see packman. packman is part of this community too. > > Mh - I'm one of these "buy it on DVD"-guys. I like to buy the packaged > distribution, install it on a system and give it to a customer - with > the distribution DVD. For a customer this gives the relaxing picture of
Interesting to neglect the packaging community like that, especially on opensuse.org ;P > a solid product that he maybe doesn't really understand, but at least > he can touch it (in this case he can touch the DVD). For sure I update > the system via online update - but that is something known to a > customer. All his windows PC's do the same. You call packman part of > the community but it adds another source for software which you have to > trust and for which you have to nothing to touch. All I install from And having a package in SUSE Linux means extra work and hassle for the SUSE packager team. I'd rather prefer them to include less packages, but have more time to improve the quality (although SUSE Linux is probably the best polished and QA'd Linux distribution around). > "other" sources is something that I have to additionally explain - in > this case: "When it is that good - why it isn't part of the > distribution? There are thousands of packages which are not that good > in it - there must be something wrong with this package ..." That's a complete misunderstanding of several things, including how the FOSS ecosystem and a Linux distribution is functioning. > FWBuilder is a solution whenever SuSEFirewall2 is totally swamped, it is > easy to use and powerfull. It is one of these nice things where a > customer can see colorfull icons and which is usefull anyway. It simply > makes live easier. I think it would be a good thing to have for > OpenSuse in the regular distribution. It doesn't need to be integrated > into yast. This would be nice - ok. But not needed. It just should be > part OpenSuse. for the 99^999th time: "openSUSE" is the community, "SUSE Linux" is the distribution assembled, QA'd and supported by the SUSE developers (working for Novell). The SUSE Linux product manager is deciding what goes into SUSE Linux and what not, because they're the ones who have to build it, test it, ship updates and security fixes, etc... So, actually, if you mention that package should be "part of openSUSE", it would mean that a community packager does it (e.g. someone from the packman team). Also take into account that it's a highly complex task to integrate fwbuilder into SUSE Linux, as it conflicts quite heavily with SuSEfirewall2. I tried to package fwbuilder a few times, but eventually gave up every time because it would cause more harm to end-users than anything else. You sure wouldn't want - - several firewall scripts/apps to push rules into netfilter - - unexperienced end-users having to use fwbuilder instead of just checking a few boxes (if at all) in SuSEfirewall2 .. don't you ? ;) cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDYWOIr3NMWliFcXcRApcPAJ9Ft7pcJq7/mSeTEioUDEj9RDAZqwCfdPdJ b8t54W4Fo22F7Zo3j3N2lLY= =ZSS3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
