Pascal Bleser wrote: > What makes you say openSUSE isn't open ? > I wouldn't say openSUSE is open yet either, but why don't you give us > some precise points why you don't think it is ?
Actually, Robert Schiele did it very eloquently in a post yesterday. > But maybe I've found one thing that bothers you - citing you again, > from a past mail on this list > (http://lists.opensuse.org/archive/opensuse/2005-Sep/0517.html): "So > we've hit the crux of the problem - which seems pretty critical. > Although openSUSE is an "open" project, what goes and what doesn't is > still decided by the commercial needs requirements of Novell/SuSE. In > many ways also reasonably understandable, but it does beg the question > - how open is OpenSUSE really? [...] Note - patches and proposals are > only accepted provided they coincide with SuSEs commercial plans and > requirements." Thanks for digging that up, I forgot I wrote it. > Err... ok.. so... it's not the packages. What's it then ? It could be setup, it could be features, what's supported and what isn't for instance. It could be desktop setup - all sorts of non-package related topics. >> Nope, but that's beside the point. > > I don't think so. What I just wanted to say is that AFAICR several > people on this list have been requesting some packages for inclusion > and when having been said "no", they bashed openSUSE for not being > "open". What if those same peopl had offered to also contribute the necessary effort in QA, testing and such - would it have been accepted? Right now, the answer is "no". And that isn't particularly open. >> Pascal, all I said was that your statement "that anyone who wants a >> say in the opensuse product/project management has no clue about it", >> is wrong and more than a little arrogant. > > Product management, to me, means what packages are included in the > product "SUSE Linux" (OSS or not). People who have requested packages > for inclusion and who got a "no" in return and who say that's not ok, > in my opinion, don't have a clue about what they're requesting. That is more than a little different to what you wrote. You can't expect to me read what you meant instead of what you wrote :-) >> have JFS install-support reinstated. I've also suggested how it >> could be done with no impact whatsoever. However, just getting to >> talk to the right people and not being turned down by level1&2 staff >> was just far more hassle than I'm prepared to work with. > > Now tell me how that has nothing to do with my previous post and > comments about people wanting to influence the product management...? It's all about openSUSE and how open it is or not. /Per Jessen, Zürich --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
