On Sat, 17 Dec 2005, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: > > > This would be a good motor of the community aspect. We need a "build > > > host" architecture and a "hidden mirror source", nothing more. > > > > Eberhard, what do you mean with "hidden mirror source" ? > > SUSE did never have sufficient infrastructure and/or bandwidth to say > "we finally have done it, now just take it". You know what > "slashdotting" means...
Better timing + clear-sighted communication would have helped sometimes ;) > So OpenSUSE would benefit from a solid mirror hierarchy. > > I just have stated "it is already present". If the OpenSUSE project > feels encouraged to use the SUSE distribution mirror hierarchy. And if > they would think they should not feel (but we all know they already ACT > like feeling this way), they simply would have to invoke a separate > mirror hierarchy. They would get it, and I would help too. Having a mature mirror infrastructure in place is very important to the overall success of the openSUSE project - we will need to address this issue preferably soon. This should also include discussing new / innovative technologies (like drpmsync+tools, jigdo, bittorrent, etc.) beyond rsync to keep the mirrors in-sync with a minimal delay. Realistically we should postpone this topic to early January, when people get back from vacation after the holidays. > > > > * The openSUSE project fades away (both, inside and outside of > > > > Novell), or does gain momentum soon enough. > > > > In my guess, "openSUSE" is just an effort to integrate what has > > > lived aside since a long time. Just listen to the suser-* packagers, > > > and you will reach the goal blindly. > > > > Well not necessarely blindly, but I know we can provide a lot in terms > > of experience, ideas, suggestions and manpower. > > OK, OK. But don't forget that the openSUSE team currently is claiming > tnat they want to invent/invoke such people as you already are since > years. So we have to tell them "already here". No worries - you guys have already attracted our attention ;) > > As I already wrote on the opensuse mailing-list some months ago (part > > of that lot of emails that got lost in some black hole between the > > SUSE 10.0 release rush and the SUSE staff taking holidays after that), > > in my opinion we should try to: a) coordinate the community/"suser" > > packagers, make it more of a joint effort instead of disparate > > repositories as of now (a few things have been made towards that > > direction, but not much, and definitely not enough) b) grow the > > packager community, help, review, teach > > Well. My guess is: integration/communication is the spot. Everything > wanted is alredy existing, we simply needthe "big integration". ... the $build_service will ultimately facilitate that integration. ATM I have the impression that our whole build service vision hasn't spread that much yet. Everyone, the documents that are on http://www.opensuse.org/Build_Service_Team deliver quite some inside on this topic. If you have comments / questions on those documents, please feel free to refer to this mailing list. Always remember: There's no such thing as a dumb question! > > > > * It is unclear, how the community can participate. > > > > Reporting, requesting, discussing, packaging. > > > > It's not totally clear how the community can participate as of now, as not > > enough has been "opened up" until now (but I know that you know, and that > > you're working on that). Nevertheless: - - testing, reporting bugs - - > > spreading the word - - making packages (*), testing those packages, provide > > feedback, communicate with upstream - - helping users: forums, IRC, > > mailing-lists > > At least: every partitipant or volunteer is able to go on straight (via nis > own ftp.gwdg.de:/pub/linux/suse/suser-* directory) and invited to hope that > the openSUSE project will offer better opportunities. > > Let's delay this aspect and rate again after 6 months, just to get a better > feeling if Novell is more claiming than acting. You may rest assured Eberhard that we are seriously committed to arrive what we have been talking about for a few month now! > > High priority item: bugzilla for packages, including community stuff > > But you can already enter your bugs into bugzilla. ... but as of now bugzilla.novell.com is only used to track bugs for packages that are maintained by Novell / SUSE. Having a central place to track bugs for all packages that are available for SUSE Linux would be preferable IMHO. Regards Christoph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
