Hi, I agree 100% with item 4, We need and "Spanish spoken here" forum. Regards,
On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 09:26 +0100, Pascal Bleser wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm starting a new thread, sorry, but the original one has been hijacked > several times and mutated > into something unreadable. > > Could we please try to summarize and get into some decisions and/or action > items ? > We are discussing alright but getting nowhere. > > And this time, please: > - - don't just post to say something about someone's signature > - - don't discuss what software should be used, we're not even near that > point (if at all) > - - don't discuss about having an NNTP gateway or something, this is not the > topic, we can discuss > that later on, or start another thread > - - NO THREAD HIJACKING PLEASE, let's really try to get into some real > actions or we'll be discussing > this during 3 weeks and still get nowhere (although I think we've reached the > point where almost > everyone is sick of discussing it, so let's keep the topic up right now and > get to a decision) > > To pick up Sonja's mail: > > 1. Do we want/need openSUSE web forum(s) > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Answer is: YES. > > I think we've debated this long enough and there seems to be a concenscius > that we indeed need an > official forum. > Unless you have a strong argument against it, don't discuss this all over > again. > Don't reply to say you agree, only reply on this item if you have a strong > point against it (liking > it or not isn't a strong point ;)). > > 2. Will it take resources away from other SUSE tasks > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I think we first need to decide how to proceed, we can discuss that > afterwards, before doing what > we're actually going to decide. > > Yes, it will take some resources away if we decide to have a _new forum_: > - - hosting, installing the web forum software > - - maintaining it (tuning, keep up with security patches) > > As far as _moderation_ is concerned, I think that can be left to people from > the community. > We'll make a call for volunteers and, obviously, having the people who > already do that on existing > SUSE community forums would be a plus. > > Unless you have a strong argument to make about this item, don't reply, I > think it's of no use to > discuss that right now. Let's get to it step by step. Let's first decide what > we want and how we > want it, then we'll see how we will do it (including the priority with > regards to how much > ressources it will take away from other tasks). > > 3. Do we create a new forum or do we elect one of the existing > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > We're pretty much going nowhere on this issue, as opinions seem to be 50/50. > I have expressed my gripes about creating a new one. I think that would > alienate the existing forum > community and really wouldn't be a nice move. > On the other hand, having a single forum "forum.opensuse.org" has advantages: > - - centralized > - - easier for beginners to find their way > - - when people don't know where to ask (because there's more than one forum > around), this would be > the place > - - maybe we could aggregate existing forums into a very large one > > The other option being to elect existing forums to become the "official" > one(s) (I'm putting an (s) > because of forums per language, read the next point). > > But I think we're stuck on this one. I suggest we should contact the > maintainers+moderators of the > largest currently existing SUSE web forums. > > Let's start by making a list of whom to contact (this is the list of forums > on the Communicate page) > - - http://linuxclub.de (in german) (Henne already volunteered to contact > them) > - - http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/ (in english) > - - http://www.suseforums.net/ (in english) > - - http://www.alionet.org/ (in french) > - - http://forum.suse.pl/ (in polisch) > - - http://www.susebr.org/ (in brazilian portuguese) > - - http://www.suseitalia.org/ (in italian) > > If you know some large forum that is not mentioned above, please add it in a > reply. > AFAIK the first 3 forums on the list above are the largest ones, but the > others are > language-specific (so is linuxclub.de though). > > (BTW, AFAICR suseforums.net was created as a split of suselinuxsupport.de > because the moderators had > some internal fights, so... it might not be that easy to get them together, > but let's try anyway ;)) > > Anyone volunteering to find out who the maintainers are and send them a nice > email ? > Let's invite them on the opensuse ML and ask them about their opinion, > they're certainly the most > valuable and I really wouldn't want this discussion to happen behind their > backs. > > Which leads us to a new point... > > 4. Internationalized forums ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Should we have one official forum per language ? > e.g. http://de.forum.opensuse.org, http://fr.forum.opensuse.org, ... > > As web forums are 100% geared towards user friendliness and mostly towards > less technology-savvy > users, I think it makes a lot of sense as indeed not everyone speaks english > (or at least not well > enough). Not to bash anyone but this is particularely true for e.g. fr, sp, > pt/br, it, pl. > > Agreed ? or not ? > > 5. Wait for and use Novell's proprietary forums ? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I think everyone agreed to a clear "NO" on this one, doesn't need to be > discussed further. > 1) we don't want to wait > 2) using proprietary forum software doesn't really make sense, but let's not > discuss this item right > now, we'll have an own topic about which forum software to use later > (although IMO that's a decision > that's up to whom will host it) > > If you have other important aspects to address, add them. > But please, mates, let's try to make some decisions and actions items out of > this, don't post just > to make some noise or to start discussing something unrelated or that doesn't > need to be discussed > _right now_. Let's concentrate on the items above (or anything else that fits > into the decision > process as of now). > > cheers > - -- > -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ > /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFD2dlAr3NMWliFcXcRAnpAAKCaWV3Qf99JQ4ZuLID7syaWdY38tgCfQazr > BdJyzAC26GS4lBgJbbirVxA= > =sxbF > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Walter Cuestas Agramonte InfoSec / Open Source Consultant http://www.open-sec.com http://wcuestas.blog-city.com Phone : 511-97926168 ##### ###### # # # # " # " # ##vvvvv## ## vvv ## # ## ## ## ### ### +++##### ##++ ++++++# #++++++ +++++++# #+++++++ +++++#######+++++ +++ +++ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
