-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 jdd wrote: > harryc wrote: > >> Here's my perception of what your idea might look like > > no, it's absolutely not that. sorry to have been misunderstood. > > we, at opensuse.org, are often asked by users where can they > ask questions. > we redirect them to the communicate page. As was said today, > this page is a mess...
Yes, unfortunately it is. But we're working our way slowly through the community and I'm sure we'll be able to come up with something better structured and easier to understand in some weeks' or months' time. > It was seen that the actual mailing lists could not support > all the burden, like the one seen on others distributions > sites. You see yourself that your own forum was overloaded. > so the first idea was to create our own one. not every body > (mostly on the experienced side) like the phpBB like forum, > so the discussion. Yes but we don't need to discuss it further, we need web forums. > but, discussing, ideas come :-) > and so we looked at the already existing forums. The problem > is that we have no real contact with them, not beeing users > we not even know who are the users and the admins. > here my think that the main problem is there. we must know > better each others. Exactly, that is a big issue. The admins and at least part of the moderators of all those (open)SUSE forums must be at least on this list, as it is the central communication channel for everything around the openSUSE community. Yes, I really mean "must". We need to have at least one communication channel where everyone who's active in the community can be contacted, asked for opinion, asked for advice. If it ends up in being too high-traffic, we can still think about solutions (and it would be a sign that we are a very active and healthy community indeed). What we are actually doing right now is to put the pieces together. SUSE has a community since quite some time but the problem is that because SUSE was rather closed and/or private to parts of the community (at least, nothing comparable to what is happening right now), most parts of that community didn't have a binding link between them. IMO, that link is this list. This email really made me realize that what we're lacking at the moment is not web forums or an open build service. Right now, we need to get everyone involved and push into the same direction (more or less, at least). IMHO we really need to have a single communication channel for everything around community (i.e. this mailing-list). Everyone who is actively involved in the openSUSE community should be subscribed here. It is highly beneficial to everyone, also because we need to know ourselves better, know what people are doing, what exists, what's lacking, etc... IMO the various aspects and channels of the community are: - - mailing-lists - - web forums - - IRC (#opensuse and #suse on freenode) - - bugzilla - - community packagers (packman, suser-*, ulb, ...) and hosting (Eberhard, others) - - the opensuse wiki + some other community wikis and "unofficial" sites (how they call themselves) - - Novell's staff involved into Linux (openSUSE staff, SUSE staff, Ximian, ......) - - planetsuse.org Now, not everyone should be subscribed on this list, but at least some people from every "part" of the community, as cited above. > Forum moderators can greatly benefit from power users > knowledge and opensuse staff (both Novell and community > members) can benefit from the forums moderators knowledge. Exactly. Forum moderators benefit from direct contact with Novell/SUSE staff, packagers (community+SUSE), as well as some other folks who are very active in the SUSE community since years. On the other hand, the others can also benefit from web forum moderators because you guys (and IRC) are the most exposed to beginners, and your experience and feedback is most valuable. > so my proposal to share these knowledge, learn from each > others, learn also to trust each others. This mean some time > spend discussing here or on a similar list, closed one (or > of limited subject). for that we needs to meet each others. Yes, exactly. > I was really very surprised to see that nor you nor Damian > was subscribers of the present list, for now the central > opensuse point. We had some difficulties (small but real) to > contact you. > this should no more happen. Indeed, that _must_ not happen. Now we have the chance, at last, to really build up a community and that also means that we have to talk to each other, be in contact. At least that's my understanding of it. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe it's just me, but well... that's how other similar communities work (KDE, GNOME, Fedora, Debian, ...) ;) Now, it's really a pity that so many active people in the community are not subscribed here, not reading this, not giving their feedback... The initial kickoff had to come from Novell+SUSE, but now it's starting to be up to us, the community, to make things happen. We can't always say "Novell has to do this, has to do that", we have to get our act together. Novell/SUSE is putting more and more into our own hands, and it's up to us to work together, organize ourselfs as a real, linked community and just do it, not always sit and wait. IMO it's on this list that it has to happen. cheers - -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v The more things change, the more they stay insane. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD2/LPr3NMWliFcXcRAq5xAJ9Yb1HduNbdaB70j1DN2nk1tCsB0wCggsO2 tBTlQji6U/6hm/Uhw39dv2g= =Wh1t -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
