It seems that the forum users dont want to have the official forums, I dont understand why some people in the list want so hard to push it. I havent seen any feedback from forum people that say "oh great, that's just what we were looking for".
My personal oppinion is that a new forum that doesnt bring a new content or appeal (for example, a forum with suse developpers to talk about new features in the distro or whatever) will be looked by the other forums as an "enemy". Making just to make, without agregating a new function, I cant understand why. Also keep your mind that 20 people in the list is not the voice of God, or what "the community" wants. Its still just 20 people of the community. And probably 20 people that dont use forums, cause they use lists. Its easy to say something and claim "the community wants it..." Marcio aka druid On 2/9/06, Pascal Bleser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Peter Flodin wrote: > > On 2/9/06, houghi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I feel that the discussion being done here was a waste of time. The reason > >> why it was a waste of time, for me, was because nobody seemed to care what > >> was said in this list. > > > > My feeling was that the main opposition to a web forum was the > > alienation of an existing community. > > > > Part of the existing community was invited, and it turned out that > > they weren't really upset, and/or very excited about the whole > > concept, as they don't (nor want to) follow the development of > > openSUSE the project, I gather they are mostly just interested in SUSE > > Linux. > > So do I, but I sure hope it was just a misunderstanding (either from > us or from them). > > > I do object to the introduction of terms like "1st class citizens", > > and the existing moderators have a combined opinion worth 80% of the > > whole community. I think these are alienating and divisive words, even > > if Pascal didn't mean them to be. > > On the very topic of the web forums, I think they do. > > If the discussion was about packaging, I would think that my/Packman > team's/James'/...... opinion would count for more than the opinion of > people that don't make RPMs for SUSE Linux. > > Same for web forums: those who have been working on that particular > aspect of the community since years definitely have a higher weight in > the decision, because they're the first ones concerned about it, + the > fact that they have much more experience than most of us on the topic. > > What is making that alienating ? > > Of course, their opinion shouldn't be the only one. For those who say > "we don't care, we just want SUSE Linux, don't bug us with a > community", well, bye bye, we'll do fine without you. It would be a > pity, both for them and for us, but hey, we won't stop building the > community just because a part of it isn't interested in doing so. > > What I just wanted to say is that they are the folks involved into > that topic, and their voice must be heard. We can't just discuss and > decide without having them involved. > > ... > > A vote of moderators that outweigh the opensuse community? > > I hope not, because that WILL be alienating a community. > > No one said we would vote. Let's just discuss it with them, and we'll > see how it goes. Voting is a really bad idea in this case, IMO. It > should really be the last resort, and even then, if we have to get to > that point, then we're growing our community on a pretty bad ground. > > cheers > -- > -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ > /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > _\_v FOSDEM 2006 -- 25+26 February 2006 in Brussels > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
