Am Montag, 27. Februar 2006 22:14 schrieb Sonja Krause-Harder: > On Mon, Feb 27, 2006 at 12:34:31PM -0500, Joseph M. Gaffney wrote: > > > It's not that it is angering. It is the way this is going about. It is > > > asking for the opinions of the maintainers but no one "in charge" going > > > to ask. It is asking Viras to start a discussion on suselinuxsupport.de > > > but before he gets the chance, announce there will be a "technical" > > > forum. It is everyone saying it will help unify the community and not > > > trying to unfiy what we have already. > > > > Except thats not what happened, and not what was said here on the list. > > Again, I believe (and correct me if I'm wrong), but the decision was > > regarding technical *capability*, not a "technical forum". > > Paraphrased and from memory, what I said in my FOSDEM talk was: > > - we are working on the technical part of a forum now, because > experience from the wiki shows that setting up a new website feature > for openSUSE.org needs time, and because there's some custom > development involved (using the same login mechanism as bugzilla and > the wiki). We are starting to work on this even if the discussion is > still ongoing. > > - It is difficult to decide something on a mailing list, especially > a topic controversial enough to sustain a discussion for several weeks > with the same points made over and over again. From my point of view, > it's a draw, there are as many reasons for a forum as against. > > - While initially against the forums, I have heard very good reasons for > creating them which changed my mind. The most important one for me: > Right now opensuse.org is turning users away, to the existing > community forums, to the lists at lists.suse.com, to the #suse > channel. This sends the message that opensuse.org is just for > developers, which is, in my opinion, plain wrong. I would like to see > both users and developers on opensuse.org, and if for users we need a > webforum, so be it.
A possible option here would be to provide a link list to existing communities on a more "exposed" place. However I do see the point that an official forum would help here :). > > - If a new reason appears why forums run on opensuse.org are a really > bad idea, we stop working on the technical part and will have some > amount of person days and recources "wasted". So what. > > Apart from that, a few thoughts: > > - yes, bootstrapping a working forum community is a major piece of work. > I am aware of that, but I think it can be done. > > - I would like to find a way to work together and/or peacefully coexist > with the existing forums, and I'm very happy to see staff from these on > this list. There for sure wont be any problem like "fights" between our communities - this is really something nobody wants and of course we will help you where we can but still we have to run our own communities which consumes quite a lot of work. A peacefully coexist is guranteed for sure :). > > - I assume that with openSUSE the potential audience for web forums grows > sufficiently that we don't have to compete for users. I don't want to > see the opensuse.org forums, should they be created, as a replacement > for existing forums. I also don't think that there's any way, or any > need, to "unify" the existing forum communities. The opensuse.org > forums will be just another offering to users. > > - Finally, it is true that I haven't shown up in the closed forum > discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] mentioned. It got lost during FOSDEM > preparations. Yeah that discussion somehow got lost somewhere in the middle of the "fight". Oh well we got a good discussion going on here now :). > > Sonja Finally I'm sorry if I missunderstood something at the FOSDEM, but I don't think that's the case :). Mfg, Wolfi -- Nothing than Linux counts http://wiki.suselinuxsupport.de/ http://forums.suselinuxsupport.de/
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