houghi wrote: > On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 11:18:00AM +0200, Pascal Bleser wrote: >> Would be awesome, yet we'll have to see whether the build service will >> be mature enough when 10.2 will start to get built, to avoid having a >> issues caused by the build service. > > What I understood is that the build service would be something for end of > this year. I can imagine that it is then too close to a 10.2 release, so > it could be for the version after that.
It's a moving target in development. It's already usable right now. The question is rather: will it be tested, and have enough features to be viable for building 10.2 at some early stage (of 10.2). >>> While I agree that there should become more people an @opensuse.org email >>> address, I disagree that everybody should get one. Because not every user >>> of >>> openSUSE should be able to speak for the project. >> ACK, that's also what I was having on my mind. > > I disagree. People who have a login at Novell/openSUSE should get an email > adress as an extra. Sure, @users.opensuse.org as Adrian suggested. > At this moment there is nobody, except suse.de, who can speak for > openSUSE.org Sorry but that's exactly the "I'm sitting here and waiting for things to happen" attitude I was referring to. I think I can speak for opensuse.org because I'm an active part of that community. So can any other active committer. Stop considering us non-Novell employees as minor elements of the community. > I don't see the opensuse.org email adress as anything official. I see it > as a gift. I have a gmail adress, but when I send mail with that adress, I > hardly speak for gmail.com. I have several other adresses and with none of > those people will think that I am somehow resposible for anything. I'm afraid you don't get the point. It's not just an email address for convenience like gmail. You contribute actively to the community (and probably more than just reporting 2 or 3 bugs), you're part of it, and you want to show it. Don't underestimate the effect of it, it also helps a feeling of belonging to the active core of the community. We're going to have leadership, we're going to have people who will come out of the mass and do more than others, deserve more credit and respect than others (I mean wrt their work), that's just how opensource communities work and evolve naturally. We won't be an exception, like it or not. Having an opensuse.org email is just natural to that evolution as a community. Actually, anything else is awkward. >>> The question is, how we can decide/vote who should get one ? How many >>> people >> Right, that's the only real issue. > > People who file bugreports in bugzulla. Making the adress available only > to some is a bad move that will seperate the community even more to haves > and have nots. Read above. There will be differences, that's how it works, always, like it or not. And I don't agree that anyone who reports a few bugs on the bugzilla has the same degree of involvement in the project as a packager, a forum or wiki moderator/sysop, or even someone who committedly and thoroughly tests factory or beta releases and reports several dozens of bugs, makes large contributions to the documentation, writes several howtos on the wiki, spends a lot of time translating, etc... OpenSource projects always work as "meritocracies". cheers -- -o) Pascal Bleser http://linux01.gwdg.de/~pbleser/ /\\ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> _\_v FOSDEM 2006 -- 25+26 February 2006 in Brussels
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