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Renegade Penguin wrote:

"Renegade Penguin", again, please do not top-post, it's very annoying,
now *I* have to fix your email layout.
And using real names is much nicer BTW ;)

> Martin Schlander wrote:
>> Either we help with technical problems on this list or we don't - I
>> say we don't - or do you think we should differentiate - and
>> help some but not others?

+1, this list is not for technical issues.

>> Accepting technical questions on this list would effectively kill
>> community building. Until now "spam" has been kept at a pretty low
>> level - but only because we have been quick to redirect people to the
>> correct mailinglist.

Exactly. Allowing technical topics on this list will kill it (and it's
already damn near the red line).

>> I say Houghi is doing an important and unpleasant task. If you have
>> suggestions on how to make the message more polite please post them.

100% ACK

Houghi is doing a good job at redirecting them, thanks for moderating.

> I actually did have a good idea, and posted it.  The occasional helpful
> issue is pretty good.  Houghi writing to them *privately* instead of in
> public, upsetting others, was the suggestion that I used.  I did this in
> the public arena so that it can be an open discussion, and hopefully
> result in positive solutions.

I don't think writing to them privately is the best option.
Could be discussed though.

> There is a line between helping on technical issues and moving them to
> other lists.  The grey area exists in building community.  I'm starting

Read my li^H^H^H email body: /this list is not for technical questions/.

> to perceive more of what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one
> particular person but my more among the group.  This is why I sounded
> off - to try to keep things positive as well as help others who may want
> to sound off on the debate.

Now, I find that very offending.

1) I don't see anything "hostile" in houghi's reply and if you do, as
houghi asked you about 2 or 3 times, please come up with a better
proposal as for the content of his email - but the following aspects are
not up to discussion: this list is not for technical questions, and
there should be no replies to technical questions

2) our community has a hostile attitude ?
Explain this. Really.

> Depending on the level of the technical questions - see the "anything
> RIGHT with 10.1?" threads among others - sometimes general problems or
> even specific problem discussion can be helpful to the rest of the
> community.

Yes, but on suse-linux-e, which is dedicated to technical issues, not here.

> Also, I know tone is not conveyed in e-mail much so I'll give you an
> indication of my mood as well, which is constructive.

My mood: offended by "what appears to be a hostile attitude, not by one
particular person but more among the group"

cheers
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