On Saturday 04 November 2006 17:51, Andreas Hanke wrote:
> Tony Pott schrieb:
> > You're missing the point.
>
> No, I am not, you are.
>
> > Microsoft have been making war against the
> > Linux community for years. Novell have elected to make a separate peace
> > with Microsoft. This makes Novell no longer part of the community.
>
> Who defines who is "part of the community" or not?
>
> If you had an idea what all this stuff is about, you would know that
> people at SUSE are just in this very moment squashing the openSUSE 10.2
> buglists in order to have a good openSUSE 10.2 release.
>
> openSUSE 10.2, a product that most users don't even pay for. And the
> people at SUSE are doing this on a Saturday, where "normal" people don't
> do any work at all. And they will continue tomorrow, on a Sunday, too.
>
> Did I forget that they stopped yesterday, Friday, after midnight, doing
> the same? And whom are they doing this for? For you. How many hours a
> day are you, the one who defines the community, contributing?
>
> But you have nothing better to do than repeatedly posting the same FUD
> bullshit about MS and betrayals and the community. The community are
> people who *contribute* to the project and not just talk about it.
>
> There are still people who prefer damaging the project by producing FUD,
> which is per se maybe understandable, but then please don't define who
> belongs to the community... And feel free to say goodbye if you don't
> want to belong to this community anymore. It's OK!

I just wanted to wrote so you know that someone (me, at the very least) 
appreciates a lot what SUSE is doing.

And sometimes, judging by the mailing lists, the "community" may sound like an 
ungrateful, bitching & moaning mass.  But keep in mind that loud noise can be 
made easily by only a few.  There are a lot of people who understand what 
you've said.  So your effort is not a waste.

On Saturday 04 November 2006 19:41, Raúl Moratalla wrote:
> El Sábado, 4 de Noviembre de 2006 16:51, Andreas Hanke escribió:
> > But you have nothing better to do than repeatedly posting the same FUD
> > bullshit about MS and betrayals and the community. The community are
> > people who *contribute* to the project and not just talk about it.
>
> I think that you are wrong. The Community are developers and users, not
> only developers.

Yes, certainly, but to be fair, the users who do nothing more than _just use_, 
without contributing anything have the least say in the matters.

Contributing as an user has a lot of forms, begining with buying the box, 
coding, bugreports, helping other users.

However, sometimes it feels that those who bitch & moan are not contributing 
much, but are freeloading and then trolling.  But one can never be certain on 
the internet, it could only be a false impression. :-)

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