On Sunday 25 February 2007 18:50, John Andersen wrote:
> Courts will not take such a fine view.  They will merely rule that
> ogg violates the mp3 patents the first time the RIAA finds an mp3 inside
> of an ogg file.  That will be enough to scare off adoption of ogg by any
> hardware manufacturers who are not already licensed for mp3.
>
> Don't believe me?  Then explain why the RIAA gets a cut from every stack
> of blank CDroms you buy.

I still maintain that in casual conversation or email, when 99% of people 
say "ogg," they are not really talking about ogg the container but 
ogg/vorbis, the free and open audio format. 

Have you noticed that the encoder in vorbis tools is called "oggenc," 
not "vorbisenc?" So what does the user say, "I made vorbises of the tracks on 
this CD?" I've never heard anyone say that. I have heard plenty of people 
say "I made oggs of the tracks on this CD."

Just because ogg is capable of containing various other formats does not mean 
that manufacturers would not make a player that can play ogg/vorbis.

Cowon, for example, seems to be thriving on its line of ogg-capable players:
http://www.cowonglobal.com/product/product_X5_feature.php

People should start buying iAudios and others which play ogg/vorbis and refuse 
to buy iPods and others which do not play ogg/vorbis.

I don't see how RIAA getting a cut of blank CD-ROMs has any effect on this 
point.

Bryan

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