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S Glasoe wrote:
> On Wednesday July 18 2007 8:14:27 am Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
>> S Glasoe wrote:
>>> On Wednesday July 18 2007 6:57:07 am Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) wrote:
>>>> G T Smith wrote:
>>>>> Sunny wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/17/07, Hylton Conacher (ZR1HPC) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would like to reload the entire system from scratch but do not want
>>>>>>> to have to re-download all the patches I have already downloaded.
>>>> <snip>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> That's all possible. What I'd suggest though is an external
>>> USB/Firewire/SATA hard drive instead of going internal. That way its
>>> portable to friends, neighbors, relatives, can grab it when running from
>>> the burning building, etc.
>> I use an external USB HDD for my backups already and in case of burning
>> buildings.
>>
>>> Have you searched opensuse.org for building YaST patch/update
>>> repositories, installing from external USB disks, etc?
>> No I haven't but hoped someone already had and could point me to a
>> HOWTO. Failing this I will hit Google and search the Google/Linux and
>> opensuse site site.
>>
>> I am really hoping though someone else has done this and followed a HOWTO
>> :)
> 
> That was my point: Go search on opensuse.org. There is a ton of information 
> and HOWTOs there relating to all of this. The organization is getting better 
> and better all the time. The search function is very powerful. I don't have 
> direct links but I used this in the last few days looking for HOWTOs on 
> booting USB sticks, etc.


There are three related components in YaST involved in this (YaST
Autoinstallation, System Backup and System Restore) and to be honest the
relevant documentation is not complete or integrated.

The most detailed documentation is for YaST auto installation, this is a
very comprehensive technical description of the XML format of the
configuration file and the tool but there are a couple of weaknesses in
the document. e.g. There is a description of a file to specify the
package selection but I have yet to find the reference to how this can
be incorporated into the installation (I will keep looking, there is a
see above comment but it is not clear what it referring to). In
principle it should be easy to generate this file from the current
installed configuration, it then becomes a matter of figuring out where
(or how) to plug it in,

The YaST Backup System tool is described in a half finished Howto but I
have yet to find any reference to what the YasT Restore System Tool
actually does (apart from Restore that is).  Unfortunately, I have so
far found no information on whether the YaST restore process will prompt
for missing RPMs on the target system (and how it will handle non-SuSE
RPMs). If it does, it will do the job required if not... well...  I have
a sneaking suspicion very few people have needed to use, or tried the
Restore Tool hence the lack of info...

(You can incorporate the Backup Archive into an Autoinstallation
configuration which probably covers the patch installation side for
Autoinstall).

Personally before I put my trust in a backup and restore process of any
kind I like to verify it. Data is usually straight forward. When one is
doing this with a system configuration, a unverified restore (or
rebuild) process is quite likely to produce the result you want to use
it to protect against if you verify against the system one wishes to
protect. (A bit of a catch 22 situation :-) ) Some non destructive
verification utility might be useful.... (Maybe part of slowness of the
System Backup Tool is that it performs such verification checks).

Once it is verified, I also like to have a couple of spare copies (and
if possible an alternative restore route). There seems to be interesting
variant of sods law which roughly goes along the lines of 'Things always
break when you really need them'. I have been bitten by this a little
too often..


BTW The latter is one of the reasons I am not an enthusiast for the disk
image on a usb drive approach, for an organisation that can afford to
maintain a couple of spare drives, the original image system drive and
possibly a couple spare images on a server it is a usable approach. For
home user with a single drive a phrase involving eggs and baskets comes
to mind,,,,


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I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my
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My wish has come true. I no longer know how to use my telephone.

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