Hi Will,

I got a repeat today, and it looks to me very much like the bug you
pointed out, but this time with the i686 kernel. I spotted it when I
tried to run "kolour lines", it produced a hourglass cursor in the
task bar, and then refused to come up at all. When I run 'ps aux', it
turned out that  I had klines and a whole bunch of processes in D
state, and then when I tried to shut the system down, I had the same
problem with being unable to unmount '/'. The 'ps aux' output is
attached, and I will add a comment to the bug report. Do you know if
there is a safe kernel version for me to downgrade to in the meantime?
My current 'uname -a' output is

Linux pcmdzikovs 2.6.22.9-0.4-default #1 SMP 2007/10/05 21:32:04 UTC
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

Thanks,

Myrosia

On 10/31/07, Myrosia Dzikovska <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Will,
>
> I am not on x86_64  but actually this sounds very similar. When I was
> looking around for causes, I noticed processes that I haven't been
> able to kill, even with "kill -9" run as root, and was puzzled by
> that. This happened to yast2 twice, and also to kio_http and
> kio_imaps. I am running the system with all the updates applied. Now
> that I see those bug reports, I would probably be able to submit my
> own when it happens again. Is there anything else I could try? Like
> which version of the kernel would I have to downgrade to?
>
> Myrosia
>
> On 10/31/07, Will Stephenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Myrosia Dzikovska said:
> > > I looked through /var/log/messages and /var/log/XFree86.0.log, but
> > > neither seems to have any error messages. I checked my hardware status
> > > with smartctl, and it reports being fine. How could I begin to trace
> > > this?
> >
> > Have a look at bug https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=336669 and 
> > see
> > if it matches your experience.  Does 'ps aux' before trying to logout/shut
> > down show a number of processes in the 'D' state?  It sounds like it to me.
> >
> > Will
> >
> >
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>
USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
root         1  0.0  0.0    744   284 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 init [5]  
root         2  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kthreadd]
root         3  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [migration/0]
root         4  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        SN   Oct31   0:00 [ksoftirqd/0]
root         5  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [events/0]
root         6  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [khelper]
root        25  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kblockd/0]
root        26  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kacpid]
root        27  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kacpi_notify]
root       115  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [cqueue/0]
root       116  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kseriod]
root       133  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 [pdflush]
root       135  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:03 [kswapd0]
root       136  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [aio/0]
root       361  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kpsmoused]
root       374  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kondemand/0]
root       421  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [ata/0]
root       422  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [ata_aux]
root       428  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [scsi_eh_0]
root       429  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [scsi_eh_1]
root       528  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [ksuspend_usbd]
root       538  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [khubd]
root       986  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [reiserfs/0]
root      1048  0.0  0.1   2272  1028 ?        S<s  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/udevd 
--daemon
root      1565  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [scsi_eh_2]
root      1566  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [usb-storage]
root      1584  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [khpsbpkt]
root      1606  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [pccardd]
root      1608  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [knodemgrd_0]
root      1779  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kauditd]
root      1792  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [kcryptd/0]
root      2127  0.0  0.1   1844   664 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /sbin/resmgrd
root      2145  0.0  0.1   1596   568 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /sbin/acpid
100       2149  0.0  0.1   2324   964 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:18 
/bin/dbus-daemon --system
root      2155  0.0  0.1   1664   640 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /sbin/syslogd 
-a /var/lib/named/dev/log -a /var/lib/ntp/dev/log
root      2166  0.0  0.1   1732   524 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /sbin/klogd -c 
1 -2 -x
root      2202  0.0  0.4   7472  2148 ?        Ssl  Oct31   0:00 
/usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon
101       2265  0.0  0.7   5760  4056 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:05 /usr/sbin/hald 
--daemon=yes
root      2266  0.0  0.2   3000  1084 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 hald-runner
root      2277  0.0  0.2   3240  1208 ?        S    Oct31   0:01 
hald-addon-input: Listening on /dev/input/event0 /dev/input/event4 
/dev/input/event5
root      2282  0.0  0.2   3244  1248 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 
/usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-cpufreq
101       2283  0.0  0.2   2228  1064 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 
hald-addon-acpi: listening on acpid socket /var/run/acpid.socket
root      2307  0.0  0.2   3232  1112 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 
hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sdb (every 2 sec)
root      2310  0.0  0.2   3232  1216 ?        S    Oct31   0:02 
hald-addon-storage: polling /dev/sr0 (every 2 sec)
root      2321  0.0  0.1   3436   696 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 
/opt/kde3/bin/kdm
root      2349  1.5  6.5  39032 33708 tty7     Ss+  Oct31   5:17 /usr/bin/Xorg 
-br -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/A:0-nhOjwy
root      2355  0.0  0.3   4712  2000 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 -:0            
  
root      2371  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S<   Oct31   0:00 [ipw2200/0]
root      2395  0.0  0.1   2644  1008 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 
/usr/sbin/dhcdbd --system
root      2401  0.0  0.2   3180  1300 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 
/usr/sbin/NetworkManagerDispatcher
root      2423  0.0  0.4  28932  2320 ?        Ssl  Oct31   0:11 
/usr/sbin/NetworkManager
root      2495  0.0  0.1   9956   652 ?        S<sl Oct31   0:00 /sbin/auditd
root      2497  0.0  0.1  10848   656 ?        S<s  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/audispd
avahi     2764  0.0  0.2   2744  1508 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 avahi-daemon: 
running [pcmdzikovs.local]
root      2779  0.0  0.0   1756   508 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 
/usr/sbin/avahi-dnsconfd -D
root      2802  0.0  0.2 141420  1084 ?        Rsl  Oct31   0:00 /usr/sbin/nscd
bin       2825  0.0  0.0   1628   436 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /sbin/portmap
root      2838  0.0  0.3   5896  1824 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /usr/sbin/cupsd
root      2848  0.0  0.2   3532  1488 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 
/usr/sbin/wpa_supplicant -g /var/run/wpa_supplicant-global
root      2890  0.0  0.2   2364  1084 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 /sbin/dhclient 
-1 -lf /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient-eth1.leases -pf /var/run/dhclient-eth1.pid -q -H 
pcmdzikovs -e dhc_dbus=31 -x -d eth1
root      2923  0.0  0.3   6408  1736 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 
/usr/lib/postfix/master
postfix   2939  0.0  0.3   6248  1724 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 qmgr -l -t 
fifo -u
root      2959  0.0  0.1   1988   564 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root      2968  0.0  0.3   4372  1780 ?        S    Oct31   0:01 
/usr/sbin/powersaved -d -f /var/run/acpid.socket -v 3
root      3007  0.0  0.1   5084   792 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:03 
/usr/sbin/smpppd
root      3031  0.0  0.1   3028   588 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 
/usr/sbin/smartd
root      3033  0.0  0.1   2084   664 tty1     Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/mingetty 
--noclear tty1
root      3034  0.0  0.1   2088   648 tty2     Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/mingetty 
tty2
root      3035  0.0  0.1   2088   644 tty3     Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/mingetty 
tty3
root      3036  0.0  0.1   2088   648 tty4     Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/mingetty 
tty4
root      3037  0.0  0.1   2088   644 tty5     Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/mingetty 
tty5
root      3040  0.0  0.1   2084   644 tty6     Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /sbin/mingetty 
tty6
root      3087  0.0  0.2   6112  1040 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd 
-o PidFile=/var/run/sshd.init.pid
myrosia   3156  0.0  0.2   3216  1444 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /bin/sh 
/opt/kde3/bin/startkde
myrosia   3214  0.0  0.0   2576   464 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:01 
/usr/bin/gpg-agent --sh --daemon
myrosia   3215  0.0  0.1   5452   704 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 
/usr/bin/ssh-agent /bin/bash /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc
myrosia   3218  0.0  0.1   3012   724 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 
/usr/bin/dbus-launch --sh-syntax --exit-with-session /opt/kde3/bin/startkde
myrosia   3219  0.0  0.0   2416   396 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 
/bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session
root      3261  0.0  0.0   1456   152 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 start_kdeinit 
--new-startup +kcminit_startup
myrosia   3262  0.0  1.1  23320  5948 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 kdeinit 
Running...                                               
myrosia   3265  0.0  0.5  23012  2768 ?        S    Oct31   0:01 dcopserver 
[kdeinit] --nosid                                     
myrosia   3267  0.0  1.1  26044  6036 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 klauncher 
[kdeinit] --new-startup                                
myrosia   3269  0.0  3.1  35516 16492 ?        S    Oct31   0:06 kded [kdeinit] 
--new-startup                                     
myrosia   3274  0.0  0.0   1584   376 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 kwrapper 
ksmserver
myrosia   3276  0.0  1.5  25580  8176 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 ksmserver 
[kdeinit]                                              
myrosia   3277  0.0  2.2  28440 11852 ?        S    Oct31   0:05 kwin [kdeinit] 
-session 1016013fd8d3000111523664700000197880000  
myrosia   3279  0.0  2.3  28324 12372 ?        S    Oct31   0:03 kdesktop 
[kdeinit]                                               
myrosia   3281  0.0  4.2  40316 21780 ?        S    Oct31   0:09 kicker 
[kdeinit]                                                 
myrosia   3282  0.0  0.8  23824  4544 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 kio_file 
[kdeinit] file /tmp/ksocket-myrosia/klauncherIP8a8b.sl  
myrosia   3286  0.0  1.9  27452 10200 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 kxkb [kdeinit] 
                                                  
myrosia   3293  0.0  2.9  30240 15052 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 konsole 
[kdeinit] -session 1016013fd8d3000111523675300000197880  
myrosia   3297  0.0  3.5  35540 18132 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 knotes 
-session 1016013fd8d3000113702040600000072350015_1193444911_108150
myrosia   3299  0.0  3.6  62804 18744 ?        S    Oct31   0:02 kopete 
-session 1016013fd8d3000116705864100000066780014_1193444910_737653
myrosia   3300  0.0  0.4   3960  2148 pts/0    Ss   Oct31   0:00 /bin/bash
myrosia   3303  0.0  2.3  31244 11940 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 kerry 
[kdeinit] -session 1016013fd8d300011934373800000003525001  
myrosia   3306  0.0  0.4   3964  2148 pts/2    Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /bin/bash
myrosia   3308  0.0  0.4   3964  2148 pts/3    Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /bin/bash
myrosia   3313  0.0  1.9  43648  9884 ?        S    Oct31   0:01 knotify 
[kdeinit]                                                
myrosia   3314  0.0  0.4   3964  2148 pts/4    Ss+  Oct31   0:00 /bin/bash
myrosia   3316  0.0  6.7  50068 34752 ?        S    Oct31   0:05 konqueror 
[kdeinit] --preload                                    
myrosia   3318  0.0  0.4   3964  2180 pts/5    Ss   Oct31   0:00 /bin/bash
myrosia   3326  0.0  2.0  28964 10748 ?        S    Oct31   0:01 kpowersave 
[kdeinit]                                             
myrosia   3334  1.4  5.4  61352 27940 ?        SNl  Oct31   4:41 beagled 
/usr/lib/beagle/BeagleDaemon.exe --replace --bg
myrosia   3357  0.0  2.4  29244 12412 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 kmix [kdeinit] 
-autostart                                        
myrosia   3362  0.0  1.8  26732  9400 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 klipper 
[kdeinit]                                                
myrosia   3375  0.0  2.1  30700 11172 ?        S    Oct31   0:09 
knetworkmanager [kdeinit]                                        
myrosia   3395  0.0  2.6  27052 13552 ?        S    Oct31   0:01 
opensuseupdater-kde
myrosia   3408  0.0  0.2   3216  1320 pts/0    S+   Oct31   0:00 /bin/bash 
/home/myrosia/bin/mailsetup
myrosia   3413  0.0  0.2   2956  1408 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 /bin/sh 
/usr/bin/firefox
myrosia   3418  4.4 16.7 201408 86520 ?        Sl   Oct31  14:36 
/opt/MozillaFirefox/lib/firefox-bin
myrosia   3419  0.0  0.2   6696  1216 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:01 ssh -Nnf -L 
2001:mail.inf.ed.ac.uk:993 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
myrosia   3420  0.0  0.4   6504  2508 pts/0    S+   Oct31   0:00 ssh -L 
2002:postbox.inf.ed.ac.uk:25 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
myrosia   3438  0.0  0.6   5804  3180 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 
/usr/lib/GConf/2/gconfd-2 18
myrosia   3536  0.1  6.6  90608 34212 ?        Sl   Oct31   0:37 kmail -caption 
KMail -icon kmail -miniicon kmail
myrosia   3545  0.0  1.6  31208  8736 ?        S    Oct31   0:02 kio_imap4 
[kdeinit] imaps /tmp/ksocket-myrosia/klauncherIP8a8b.  
myrosia   3615  1.9  4.7  52460 24608 ?        SNl  Oct31   6:12 beagled-helper 
/usr/lib/beagle/IndexHelper.exe
myrosia   4381  0.0  0.8  24592  4476 ?        D    Oct31   0:00 kio_http 
[kdeinit] http /tmp/ksocket-myrosia/klauncherIP8a8b.sl  
myrosia   4399  0.0  2.2  30132 11444 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 kio_uiserver 
[kdeinit]                                           
root      5109  0.0  0.1   2644   996 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 /usr/sbin/cron
root      5110  0.0  0.2   2636  1136 ?        Ss   Oct31   0:00 /bin/sh -c  
test -x /usr/lib/cron/run-crons && /usr/lib/cron/run-crons >/dev/null 2>&1
root      5111  0.0  0.2   2636  1280 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 /bin/bash 
/usr/lib/cron/run-crons
root      5293  0.0  0.0      0     0 ?        S    Oct31   0:09 [pdflush]
root      5633  0.0  0.2   2632  1200 ?        SN   Oct31   0:00 /bin/sh 
/etc/cron.daily/suse.de-updatedb
root      5641  0.0  0.2   2636  1252 ?        SN   Oct31   0:00 /bin/sh 
/usr/bin/updatedb --localuser=nobody --prunepaths=/mnt /cdrom /tmp /usr/tmp 
/var/tmp /var/spool /proc /media
root      5661  0.0  0.1   2636   632 ?        SN   Oct31   0:00 /bin/sh 
/usr/bin/updatedb --localuser=nobody --prunepaths=/mnt /cdrom /tmp /usr/tmp 
/var/tmp /var/spool /proc /media
root      5662  0.0  0.5  27376  2928 ?        SN   Oct31   0:00 /usr/bin/sort 
-z -f
root      5664  0.0  0.0   1592   384 ?        SN   Oct31   0:00 
/usr/lib/find/frcode -0
root      5669  0.0  0.2   2844  1132 ?        SN   Oct31   0:00 su nobody -s 
/bin/sh -c /usr/bin/find /       \( -fstype nfs -o -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs4 
-o -fstype afs -o -fstype proc -o -fstype smbfs -o -fstype autofs -o -fstype 
iso9660 -o -fstype ncpfs -o -fstype coda -o -fstype devpts -o -fstype ftpfs -o 
-fstype devfs -o -fstype mfs -o -fstype sysfs -o -fstype shfs -o -fstype cifs 
-o -fstype 9P -o      -type d -regex 
'\(^/mnt$\)\|\(^/cdrom$\)\|\(^/tmp$\)\|\(^/usr/tmp$\)\|\(^/var/tmp$\)\|\(^/var/spool$\)\|\(^/proc$\)\|\(^/media$\)'
 \) -prune -o -print0
nobody    5670  0.0  0.1   1696   860 ?        DN   Oct31   0:02 /usr/bin/find 
/ ( -fstype nfs -o -fstype NFS -o -fstype nfs4 -o -fstype afs -o -fstype proc 
-o -fstype smbfs -o -fstype autofs -o -fstype iso9660 -o -fstype ncpfs -o 
-fstype coda -o -fstype devpts -o -fstype ftpfs -o -fstype devfs -o -fstype mfs 
-o -fstype sysfs -o -fstype shfs -o -fstype cifs -o -fstype 9P -o -type d 
-regex 
\(^/mnt$\)\|\(^/cdrom$\)\|\(^/tmp$\)\|\(^/usr/tmp$\)\|\(^/var/tmp$\)\|\(^/var/spool$\)\|\(^/proc$\)\|\(^/media$\)
 ) -prune -o -print0
myrosia   5970  0.0  2.1  24464 11272 ?        D    Oct31   0:00 
/opt/kde3/bin/kdesktop_lock
postfix   6589  0.0  0.3   6208  1692 ?        S    Oct31   0:00 pickup -l -t 
fifo -u
myrosia   6789  0.2  2.4  26488 12548 ?        D    00:14   0:00 klines 
-caption Kolor Lines -icon klines -miniicon klines
myrosia   6822  0.0  0.1   2432   792 pts/5    R+   00:15   0:00 ps -aux

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