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Damon Register wrote:
> Marcus Meissner wrote:
>> You did not read nor did you follow Stefans helpful comments, especially
>> https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=338930#c11
>>
>> So if you were not helpful, why do you expect us to be so?
> I am interested in this thread because I have an ATI card but haven't
> yet installed 10.3 on the PC that has the ATI card.  I tried reading
> the above link but I don't follow it well.  Am I correct in understanding
> that the greyed out 3D selection will not be fixed because he is using
> an unsupported driver?  Didn't he say that the same happens with the
> driver included with the distribution?

The problem here is that there are two issues. The first is the greyed
out 3D button in SaX2. The second is the lockups.

The first is the result of not using the openSUSE package. SaX2 depends
on information that the openSUSE RPM provides, but the homespun ATI RPM
doesn't. It doesn't know if the card supports 3D, so it doesn't offer
the option.

The second is, unfortunately, a problem that openSUSE developers don't
have the ability to fix. This is one of the problems with using
proprietary binary-only drivers. We don't know what the driver is doing
and so we can't debug it. Even in cases where the problem isn't graphics
related at all, we'll usually decline to debug kernel lockups when fglrx
or nvdia are loaded. This case is especially clear since it's directly
related to the graphics driver itself.

We don't have the source so we can't fix it. Since you've been able to
reproduce it with ATI's driver directly, please report the problem
upstream to ATI. All Novell can do is what we've already been doing:
Convince ATI to release specs and open source drivers.

To address Damon's concerns, I'm sure we'd be hearing many more
complaints if ATI drivers simply didn't work at all on openSUSE. I have
a ThinkPad t60p with an ATI chip and it's working for me.

- -Jeff

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Jeff Mahoney
SUSE Labs
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