Anders Johansson wrote: > On Sunday 18 November 2007 17:06:10 Richard Creighton wrote: > >> It used to be possible for (at least in the case of the >> kernel) to keep the old kernel and reboot from it if the new one >> failed. >> > > No, that has never been possible. > > It is possible if you install the new kernel from the command line using > rpm -i instead of -U, but it is not, and was never, possible to do in any gui > updating tool, not from suse, novell, red hat, ubuntu or anyone else > > Anders > > When I first started using SuSE, when a new kernel was updated, GRUB had 2 (or more) kernels, the new one and any older one(s) still there. I suspect it was using the -i instead of the -U method internally but in my 9.3 version that I used for a long time, I could choose from several kernels. Additionally, it used to save the installed RPMs so that I didn't really need to download a DVD or CD to restore to earlier versions that didn't get properly updated or that I didn't like what the update did. I know about installing the new kernel from the command line with the -i option, BUT that is NOT an option with either YAST or the UPDATER which sumarrily downloads the new RPM and deletes everything and often stuff that I had no clue would also be deleted, like the recent 'boost' deletes zypper 'update'. I am just saying that it needs to have the option and I don't intend to quibble about IF it ever did or didn't, that is not a good excuse for continuing the way it is even if my memory is so faulty as to be totally reversed from reality. The fact remains; If it did, bring it back, if it didn't, MAKE it happen. Either way, it needs to be FIXED so the continual breaking of peoples systems by 'fixes' and 'updates' doesn't render them inoperable or worse.
Someone mentioned that openSuSE is 'free' as in beer. So what. We, as users of openSuSE are the great Guinea pigs of society, and what works makes it to paying customers. Unfortunately, a lot of what doesn't work also makes it to paying customers, ala, the recent GM release and the 'REPAIR' program on the install disk just to name one little 'minor' thing that thousands (my estimate) of *paying* customers bought and expected functioning software to be contained on the DVD. I suspect that sooner or later, Novell will face an irate 'customer' or his lawyer in the commercial departments as well because the mentality of 'do the minimum' tends to pervade to all levels of an organization sooner or later. If we are the 'testing arena' for Novel, et al, it makes sense to pay attention to little things like recovery from faulty (regardless of reason) updates and fixes or other software released that doesn't perform as expected. Richard -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
