Richard Creighton wrote:
jdd wrote:
Richard Creighton wrote:
eminently fair and for the most part, accurate. I think any
inaccuracies could be attributable to unfamiliarity rather than
bias. If this reviewer hadn't been what I would call a 'Power-user',
and had
instead been someone converting from Windows, not only would they
probably not have had a successful install
completely wrong.
because he is a power user, he have four linux on his laptop. It's
already good if he could install at all. He don't say what answers he
give to the questions, but, for example, is glad to have Yast asking
if he wants to keep old users. Do you think he could have such
question on a fresh install? I beg no. He is making an update. and
what was the old Linux? who knows?
Balderdash! Are you saying that because he is experienced and that he
has other distros or OS's on his system that he can't write an objective
review and if he wants to upgrade his system from an older version
instead of doing a 'fresh install', does that make his review less
valuable. Few people I know want to erase months or years of
configuration effort by the equivilent of FORMAT C: just to get a 'fresh
install'. I have communicated with many from around the world that
simply wanted to upgrade from 10.2 to 10.3 and the system failed
miserably. Why should that not be reported if it is a fact? To
insist that the only VALID test of an operating system or distro like
10.3 is to wipe your disk and start fresh in order to avoid problems is
ludercrous and utterly unrealistic. It is lucky that he was a 'power
user' or the review would likely have been a LOT less to your obviously
biased liking.
This group was asked earlier by management of openSuSE.org to try out
other distros and report back our findings. I can't think of a better
report than a user of another distro giving a reasonably fair evaluation
of *our* product. If it has warts, we should be willing to admit it
and do something constructive about it rather than burying our
collective heads in the sand and saying '...but he is a power user on a
special machine' and ignoring what he had to say.
so may be he got wireless working because it was working on the old
install and so the firmware was at hand (how could he have it if
not?) and x don't working because the old install was not
completely compatible with the old one.
He did give credit where credit was due. He only said that in many
cases, Yast, is not very intuitive and that also is a fact. It is a
dammed good program, but that doesn't mean it is perfect and can't stand
improvement.
any intelligent review must be done on a fresh (not new) computer if
it wants to be other than individual experience
Balderdash! Again! I think doing it on a so-called 'fresh' machine
is very Microsoft in its' mentality. Who did you say you work for?
Real life dictates that most installs will be upgrades not fresh
installs and tests that ignore that fact are themselves deficient. So,
if as you say, he did an upgrade, (which I didn't read from his report
but might have missed), that makes the test even more valid, not less.
this is the install of a power user upgrading an old install.
So, why does SuSE give the option to UPGRADE....if it isn't a valid
method of getting the distro onto ones' disk, then it should simply
erase everything and start fresh. That should make you happy and you
can write your own review. Be sure and complain about the loss of all
your favorite programs and settings and the amount of time it takes to
relocate the programs and set them up again from scratch. It is your
This is why smart people make /home, /opt, and /local to be separate
filesystems (or at least make /local a symbolic link to something
like /home/local and/or /opt to be a symbolic link to /home/opt.)
This should be the DEFAULT set-up for a new installation, because
the uninitiated has absolutely no idea that having /home, /local
and /opt on the root filesystem is setting them up for major
headaches when they want to install the system.
In fact, in the install, it would be REALLY super-nice if I
could specify the creation of any symbolic links and target
directories before ANY packages are installed.
machine, after all, but for me, I want to know if I can still have
success upgrading or if I can have dual or quadruple boot to other
distros or even Windoze. Any review that leaves out that info is less
valuable IMO. And lest we forget, right up front, he said that it had
been a long time since he had used SuSE and he felt is was time to give
it another try....which I think he did. So, again, SuSE management
*should* read his review because it is not written from one of the
lemmings, but from someone actually spending a bit of time and trouble
evaluating the competition.
Richard
jdd
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