On Sun, 2007-12-02 at 09:26 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > On 2007/12/02 03:12 (GMT-0500) Clark P. Case apparently typed: > > > On Sat, 2007-12-01 at 11:40 -0500, Felix Miata wrote: > > >> On 2007/12/01 01:30 (GMT-0500) Clark P. Case apparently typed: > > >> > I have a system (and 3 other identical ones) that uses a Tyan S2098AGN > >> > motherboard, 2.1GHZ Celeron w/512MB ram. I have been running openSuse > >> > 10.0 to 10.2 without issues. > ... > >> I have a Celeron 2.4G test box with the same chipset: > >> http://www.intel.com/design/motherbd/va/index.htm > ... > >> I got SUSE > >> Factory v10.3 installed on it running 24 bit 2048x1536 in Sept. or Oct., > >> and > >> Mandriva 2008. The latter's GUI installer wouldn't run on it, but it works > >> dandy after having used the text installer. > ... > > Thanks for your perspective. Unfortunately the core of my problem is not > > with the integrated video. I offered that information as background. I > > have been using the Intel Extreme graphics onboard and the Bios offers a > > frame buffer of either 1MB or 8MB. I can install and used all Linux > > distros with that setup without a problem. The problem lies in the fact > > that when I disable the onboard and install any other cards, that I get > > the kernel panic and it fails as later stated in the same paragraph. > > On mine, "disabling" the onboard in the BIOS is not necessary. By default, if > the BIOS finds an installed gfxcard, it makes the 845GL the secondary device. > Possibly the kernel panic is related to gfxcard prioritization, and/or a > defect in implementation of "disabling" in the 845GL chipset or motherboard > BIOS that newer kernels uncover. > > > I feel strongly that this is a kernel issue and since i was able to get > > to a desktop on the old 3.4 version of Knoppix's live cd, that the > > problem exists in versions of the kernel greater that whatever version > > is included on that live cd. I know that it's obscure, but had hoped > > that others may have at least heard of a similar situation. > > > I suppose I will have to stick with some form of BSD if I am to utilize > > the 4 128MB video cards I just $160 on but cannot used. It's not the > > cards, it is something to do with the PCI capabilities on the > > motherboard as it pertains to the Kernel but that is a guess from my > > troubleshooting. Just frustrating... > > Just another idea. The most I ever paid for a gfxcard was $60, but that was > 10 or more years ago. I've since resolved to spending as little as possible > on video, having just taken delivery of 3 8 year old 4X AGP cards @ $8.50 > each as example. > > On further thought about installing Mandriva on my D845GLVA, I recall not > using the text installer when the GUI installer wouldn't work with the > onboard video, but instead sticking a really old PCI card in and using the > GUI installer. I may have used a Matrox Millenium, but probably used an > NVidia TNT2. > > I wonder for further troubleshooting purposes if an antique PCI spec gfxcard > would also create the kernel panic? Yours are almost certainly newer than > v2.1, while mine are certainly not. > > You did try both PCI slots, right? Is anything installed in the other? If so, > does behavior change if it's removed? Are you using the v2.01 BIOS? > > FWIW, and this is probably no help, I've previously found with an Intel i810E > chipset motherboard that the PCI slots were not far short of useless. Only > certain cards would work in it, and then only if it was the only device > populating a PCI slot. Using more than one PCI slot would prevent POST > completion. > > Since it worked with older kernels, filing a kernel bug might be the best > next thing to do. At least ask on the linux kernel mailing list. > -- > " Our Constitution was made only for a moral > and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to > the government of any other." John Adams > > Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 > > Felix Miata *** http://mrmazda.no-ip.com/ Thanks for the insight. I have tried both PCI slots (they are the only once available. There are no AGP or other slots. I also tried with the bios set to disable the onboard as well as leave the onboard enabled making the PCI VGA card a secondary. In addition, the bios allows you to specify which graphics source to initialize on. I have tried both onboard and pci slot.
I am thinking you are right about reporting it as a kernel issue. I have tried an old ATI Radeon 7000 and an Nvidia 64mb card from about 4 years ago as well as a couple of other cards. All yield the same results. I have tried both the GUI installs as well as the text only installs. I was able to get Debian 3.1 installed with much trouble but it booted into the command line only. I am not sure if I simply did not install it properly of if the disk was setup to install that way by default (It was a disk distributed by some magazine so it was not the official ISOs. How do I go about getting the full text that shows during the boot attempt? The OS is not installed so the messages file is not created, All I have to work with is the text from the boot attempt and after it fails I am unsure how to even scroll upwards to read the full report if that is even possible. Anyway, I have a strong feeling that I am not going to be able to resolve this and will have to use the cards in other machines and get new mainboards that don't have this eccentric problem.... Thanks in advance for your help. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
