On Tuesday 04 December 2007 02:02:46 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
> The Monday 2007-12-03 at 21:53 -1000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > after re-reading the release notes i can see that libata can be disabled,
> > thanks:)
>
> Only for 10.3, in version 11 this workaround might disappear. That's
> their intention :-(
>
> >  That would imply that all fake sdx references would have to be
> > changed to hdx , no?
> > But what comes next?
> > I can manually change the grub and fstab entries, also some samba and nfs
> > shares in yast, perhaps a few more configs, but there are many other
> > references in many many other files, how can that be dealt with after the
> > fact? would a symlink or three do it?
>
> No, a symlink would not work.
>
> You should change all the references to device independent ones, like
> label, id, or uuid (not sure if all are valid). Nowhere should you have
> references like "hda" or "sda".

 well, i looked at menu.lst and fstab in my 10.3 for the first time and saw a 
bunch of brave new things...I guess entropy *must* increase...
i will try the "hwprobe=-modules.pata" in a day or two, but i somehow doubt it 
will solve my problem and then i will have to decide if i will live w. it or 
revert to 10.2 . btw, how does grub know about libata before the kernel is 
loaded and how/does it get modified?
>
> In vmware... no idea.

vmware has had this scsi/sata problem, now it became an ide/scsi/sata one!
maybe they will adapt the disk/by-id thing, who knows? 
>
> > in 10.2 we had usbfs and smbfs as sources of similar anguish. is
> > SuSe/linux big enough to dictate changes like that almost arbitrarily?
> > Please note, i am not talking about technical merits...
>
> Unfortunately, it's not suse alone, it's all of them (developers).

are we being asked to operate in a vacuum? is new stuff coming out just for 
the sake of newness?
>
> --
> Cheers,
>         Carlos E. R.

thanks for the insight. now i know more than i wanted!
d.

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