On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 21:43 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
> > This is again CSS. They have different CSS for print media. But the
> > pictures should be printing. Which page doesn't?
> 
> Any. For instance:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_time_operating_system
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UnitedLinux
> 
> prints only the text, like a version prepared for printing.

I'm confused, Carlos. There aren't any pictures on those two pages to be
printed!? Certainly, what is printed is laid out differently to what is
shown on screen. That is deliberate. It is a feature of CSS that
wikipedia has chosen to exploit. Mostly, it seems they have done it
sensibly when I print pages.

CSS is very powerful. Look at <http://www.csszengarden.com/> for
example. You look at the page, then you click on one of the links at the
right and you see the same HTML page again. But the CSS has changed.

Again, if you print it - or use print preview to save the planet -
you'll lose the graphical effects. But that was the choice of the
authors.

CSS also has a few flaws. One is that difference between screen and
print media. There's no way that I know (short of screen capture) to
print the screen version - that's a shortcoming of the browser, IMHO.

CSS can also be fiendishly complicated.

And it has a few gotchas. Like using absolute positioning and not
providing a separate print profile.

> If I use print preview, I see some fonts are badly rendered, they print on 
> top of others.

The fonts themselves are rendered OK, yes? It's simply the positioning
of different sections of text that is wrong. Which is mainly down to
poor CSS again and also some browser implementation differences.

> For the opensuse wiki... the main page, for instance. I tried also 
> "http://en.opensuse.org/Creating_YaST_Installation_Sources";, and the 
> preview clips text out of the page (the 'code' like text).
> 
> 
> 
> >> Printing a page from
> >> "http://www.gnome.org/learn/users-guide/2.8/ch04s05.html"; is also broken.
> >
> > Looks OK to me (in print preview)
> 
> Here it looks simply horrible.
> 
> I get a thin column with the text, and a second column at the right 
> containing the "learn" panel or frame, and only in the first page. The 
> whole thing occupies 16 pages.
> 
> I have the pdf file saved... I'll attach a low quality, small size 
> screenshot, so you can see what I mean.

Hmm, I see what you mean. On my machine it looks pretty much like the
normal page. I'm using Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686 (x86_64); en-GB;
rv:1.8.1.4) Gecko/20061023 SUSE/2.0.0.4-1.1 Firefox/2.0.0.4

Perhaps you're using different fonts or a larger font size so that not
as much text will fit across a line?

There are some pages that don't display well in Firefox though. I've
always assumed that (a) they were just written for IE and/or not tested
with different fonts and (b) they use a poor choice of HTML style
attributes or CSS.

Cheers, Dave
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