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The Thursday 2008-01-03 at 13:58 -0600, M Harris wrote:

On Thursday 03 January 2008 13:10, Carlos E. R. wrote:
If the joystick driver is part of the kernel, then the culprit remains
being the kernel.
        Yes, I disagree.

        Pluggable modules extent the kernel but are not THE kernel.

        (1) kernel runs without module
        (2) kernel panics with module plugged in
        (3) kernel runs when module unplugged

        The culprit is the module... not the kernel.

If the module comes with the kernel supplied by suse, then it is an integral part of the kernel supplied by suse, and the kernel is this the culprit. It is not a third party module installed by the user.

There ire no semantics or grey zones there.

- -- Cheers,
       Carlos E. R.

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