On Tue, 08 Jan, 2008 at 12:39:09 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:

> The Tuesday 2008-01-08 at 06:47 +0100, Jon Clausen wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 07 Jan, 2008 at 16:40:48 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>>
>>> It would be possible to design one. The device only needs to monitor the
>>> presence of power in the usb power line coming from the laptop, and 1mA
>>> would be enough to trigger the base of a transistor that would in turn
>>> power up the device. It could even be designed around an 
>>> optocoupler/triac
>>> to power up the AC side of the device.
>>>
>>> You just pay an engineer, and he'll do appropriate wonders :-)
>>
>> Too late, it's been done;
>>
>> http://www.elsparefonden.org/public-and-commerce/products/energy-saving-equipment/Elspareskinne
>
> Better:
>
> <http://www.elsparefonden.org/public-and-commerce/products/energy-saving-equipment/Elspareskinne/facts-and-figures/how-the-elspareskinne-works>
>
> But that doesn't say how this particular piece works. Typically it would 
> use a relays to switch off the rest of the equipment, but a relays draws 
> significant power from the usb bus of a portable running on battery. What I 
> described were methods to do the same as already known to exist, but 
> designed for laptops.

riiiight... I didn't realize what you meant.

Elsparefonden is not a vendor of anything, it's a trust that does research
on, and gives advice about reducing powerconsumption in general. Hence the
above doesn't pertain to any *particular* device.

I guess that most of those thingies basically just use the power from the
USB to hold open (or closed) a relay, which turns on the mains. And that
power would come from the battery of a laptop.

http://www.elsparefonden.org/public-and-commerce/products/energy-saving-equipment/Elspareskinne/facts-and-figures/if-computer-cannot-turn-off-elspareskinne

suggests that the whole concept may become obsolete, if Wake-On-USB ends up
being the norm...

But I agree that a version designed for laptops would be good.

/jon
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