John B Pace wrote:
Thanks and my apologies about getting hot behind the collar. I misread
No problem. E-mail is notorious for this sort of thing.
I should have put a couple smileys :-) [ : - ) ] in there,
so my tone would have been better understood.
you too. Now maybe you can give me some tips before I go out and buy a
bunch of books. First, If I were to buy a book or two, what would you
suggest?
There's so much available on the internet, I would suggest
not buying any books, unless there's some specialized sort
of task you need to do with unusual requirements.
> Second, there was a program on one of the other distros
that I
was experimenting with that made the font of the desktop more readable.
Of course I can't remember it. Then it seems that everytime I use
firefox I'm going to have to enlarge the fonts. Would opera browser be
the same way? Or one of the other browsers? Thanks. John
You might try Edit->Preferences->Appearances->Fonts,
At the bottom of the list, choose a larger number for
the minimum font size.
Opera has its own configuration.
If you like Netscape/Mozilla, but Firefox is disagreeable,
you can also use sea-monkey. The tabbed browsing available
on seamonkey is the best I've seen on any browser -- you
can reopen tabs that you previously closed, and move them
from one window to another... with the complete cookie-crumb
trail of pages previously opened with that same tab.
That full functionality is provided by a plugin.
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/
To install seamonkey, you download the installer that
you want, say
<http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/1.1.7/seamonkey-1.1.7.en-US.linux-i686.stub-installer.tar.gz>
Usually, I save these in a directory called downloads,
in a partition that does not get formatted when I
upgrade to a new version of Suse (your home directory
should work).
To get the download ready to install, you can do it
in two steps (first uncompressing, then separating
the archive:
$ cd downloads
$ gunzip seamonkey-1.1.7.en-US.linux-i686.stub-installer.tar.gz
$ tar -xvf seamonkey-1.1.7.en-US.linux-i686.stub-installer.tar
Or you can do it as single step, since tar now has the
ability to filter data throuh gzip/gunzip
$ tar -zxvf seamonkey-1.1.7.en-US.linux-i686.stub-installer.tar
The flags mean the following:
-x extract an archive (-c creates, and -t does a "test")
-v verbose -- print messages telling what it's doing
-z use gzip or gunzip to compress into/uncompress out of
an archive.
-f specify filename for the archive to extract/create.
(without -f, tar operates on what is known as 'stdin'
(standard input) and stdout (standard output), which
are usually (but not always) your keyboard and screen.
The way to divert a program's stdout from the screen, to
the stdin of another program is with the pipe symbol |.
Your output will look something like this:
$ tar zxfv seamonkey-1.1.7.en-US.linux-i686.stub-installer.tar.gz
./seamonkey-installer/seamonkey-installer
./seamonkey-installer/seamonkey-installer-bin
./seamonkey-installer/installer.ini
./seamonkey-installer/README
./seamonkey-installer/config.ini
./seamonkey-installer/MPL-1.1.txt
$ cd seamonkey-installer
and then su to root, and run the installation:
$ su
password: (type the root password here)
# ./seamonkey-installer (# prompt alerts you to working as root)
This runs a short GUI program.
I generally change the Destination Directory from
/usr/local/seamonkey to /opt/seamonkey
I generally do a Custom Setup, and chose:
[X] Navigator
[X] Mail & News
[X] Personal Security Manager
[ ] Chatzilla
[X] Debugger (can be used to debug JavaScript)
[ ] Inspector (DOM inspector)
[X] Spellchecker
[ ] Website Reporter
After installation I do a test, and install Multizilla:
#/opt/seamonkey/seamonkey
type multizilla.mozdev.org into the URL field at the top
follow the link to Installation Page, go about 1/3 down
the page, and right-click-> [open in new tab] on the big
INSTALL button.
Eventually, you'll be given a choice. OK for single-user
install, and "Cancel" for multi-user install.
Choose CANCEL
close that tab, taking you back to the installation page
Go down a little farther, and do the same thing for the
Google Toolbar (believe me, you'll find this VERY useful).
John B Pace wrote:
On Mon, 2008-01-21 at 10:36 -0500, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
John B Pace wrote:
So, it is like it used to be, Carlos? Really no need for antivirus
software?
Non-root users still don't have root abilities, so, no, of
course not.
Do downloaded files suddenly make themselves executable,
without you chmod'ing them?
The security model hasn't changed since 1970, BECAUSE IT
DOESN'T NEED TO BE!
Remember, the Unix security model was designed with the presumption
that ANY user might accidentally do something utterly stupid,
and so the whole system was designed to protect users from
each others' stupidity.
> Interesting that the windows machines are being protected
from themselve.
What cave have you been hiding in for the last 15 years?
> I assume some distros must be weaker than others? Or why
would clamav or antivir (Avira GmbH) been created.
To weed out Microsoft viruses.
Sheesh, John, name one Linux virus.
The last outbreak of malware in the *nix community was
over 20 years ago...and that was due to buffer overruns
(which have since been corrected) on hardware so obsolete
that you can't even find in operation any more (VAX-11
and Motorola 680x0 CPUs)
> I'm probably sticking
my foot in my mouth or worse my head where the sun doesn't bother
shining, but I'm really curious as to clamav and antivir. You don't
have
to answer this if you don't want, Carlos. I can check it out!
Thanks!
John
They're for the purpose of protecting Windows clients
from malware-infested Windows viruses.
> I can't recall any viruses, malware, but then I've probably
> only put 90 hours into linux altogether, which is why I
> introduced myself as an older dummy.
Oh, I see.
I thought you meant you used to use Unix way back a long time ago.
> What did you mean about being a non-root user.
The system administrators account is user ID 0, and by default,
named "root" ... you can change this, but it will cause problems
if a program checks the user name rather than the user ID number.
> I'm normally no-root except when I need to be in root. I
That's good. Never do anything as root unless you need to.
Even software that I grab off of websites, do all of my
downloading from my normal user account. I just use the
su command to change user ID to root just to install
the software, and then end the su session.
> see that you just came on board as far as downloaded files.
> That solution was taken care of a good deal of time ago this
> morning with some excellent answers. There were no "of course
> not." That phrase should be left out of conversation about
> discussing solutions. It sounds like old linux answers by
> those that think they may have something over the rest of us.
> I don't and won't put up with that crap. I don't need your
I misunderstood what you were saying in your original post.
I thought you mean "old linux user" as someone with
experience in this operating system from long ago,
not someone who is getting grey hair. My mistake.
> preaching with your capitalizing either. In fact, I don't
> need you disrespect at all, so keep it to yourself because
> I surely don't care what you say or what others say to
> my response.
No problem.
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