Oh, and everyone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe this how the votes stack up (and of course, most of the +1 crew doesn't really have real voting power, but I think it's still important to remember). Also, I've put stars next to regular contributors, so we can see who does have voting power. As you can see, it's a tie. With the rest of the votes going towards making this _addition_ (not change, since nothing is being removed), shouldn't the vote swing in the +1 favor?
I ask this because I'm still working on the OpenSymphony guidelines doc and this is a good example of where we can squash the issue for good by just following the procedures. Is there anything flawed with the voting count above? If the outcome does not satisfy you, please let me know how the rules would need to change so that it does, and I'll modify those rules in the document I'm writing. Chris +1 *Pat +1 Anders +1 Joe +1 *Erik +1 Francisco +1 Hai +1 Wayland +1 Vedovato +1 Jason +1 Mike 0 (-1?) *Rickard -1 *Maurice -1 Bruce -1 Hani -1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hani Suleiman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 8:01 AM Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Re: Property tag (beating the decomposed horse) > It's a different approach I suppose. > > I didn't know of the TWO uses of the propertytag, let alone the 3 uses. I'm not > angry or irritated at anyone because of it, in fact, I was rather delighted when > I found out the other uses. I'm glad they're documented now. Most of all > however, I like the fact that I was able to use propertytag without reading any > docs. I like the fact that I was using the valuestack without even understanding > what it is, or how and why it's working its magic. Maybe adding more tags will > make that easier, it just doesn't feel that way though based on all the > discussion here. > > Quoting Chris Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Agreed. While I'm not a regular WW user these days due to circumstances > > beyond my control (and I use Velocity with WW rather that JSP anyway), I > > still try to keep abreast of WW's progress. From what I've read of this > > debate, one thing is readily apparent. The existing property tag is *not* > > intuitive. To quote an earlier comment from Mike: > > > > "Well, I actually wrote the original two uses of the PropertyTag (which you > > are correct - is in fact 3, would you believe I didn't know about the third > > one? ;))" > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong but I am sure that Mike uses WW extensively, and > > has > > been doing so for quite some time. If even he didn't know all the > > subtleties > > of that tag, what chance does a newbie have? Documentation alone isn't the > > best solution - docs plus intuitive design is. Has anyone here ever tried > > to > > use all the various permutations of the struts <html:select> tag for > > iteration? There is a lot of documentation for that tag, and I've been > > using > > it for quite some time now. But almost without fail I still have to either > > cut'n'paste existing code, or refer to the documentation to get the damn > > thing working each and every time! > > > > I haven't looked at the replacement tags Anders has submitted so I can't > > comment on whether those are 'better' or not, but I would encourage > > everyone > > in this debate to think about what the taglib should look like in a perfect > > world, ie *without regard for what currently exists*. THAT should then > > become the goal for XWork 2.0. Obviously backwards compatibility is > > crucial, > > but deprecation can take care of that if need be. > > > > Chris > > > > > > "Jason Carreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > > news:CD44D03584C7A249A3F86891B24EB8EA03FDCAB9@;ehost003.intermedia.net... > > Yeah, not like the current ever-so-transparent ww:property tag that > > everyone > > just understands without any explanation. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hani Suleiman [mailto:hani@;formicary.net] > > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 7:34 AM > > Subject: Re: [OS-webwork] Property tag (beating the decomposed horse) > > > > > > Excellent! A great way of ensuring nobody is able to use webwork without > > first going through lots of docs. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > > Welcome to geek heaven. > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > > _______________________________________________ > > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek > Welcome to geek heaven. > http://thinkgeek.com/sf > _______________________________________________ > Opensymphony-webwork mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork ------------------------------------------------------- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf _______________________________________________ Opensymphony-webwork mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/opensymphony-webwork
