I would have to say +1 to this - Hani has summarised it exactly.

There are many fools on IRC, and as they say a lot - very little of it is
useful, most of it is utter crap. Ignore them.

I for one don't see why we can't all work together to build a better
framework, rather than splintering all the time.

As Patrick said, we're in some sort of discussion-design-paralysis at the
moment. He who does, wins.

Just build it and they will use it - people will always argue on a mailing
list, whether they will actually build it themselves is something totally
different.

Please reconsider from me too.

-mike

On 5/1/03 3:50 AM, "Hani Suleiman" ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) penned the words:

> Noooo!
> 
> The discussion on here has been VERY pleasant to see, a lot of smart
> things said and I felt that real progress was being made. Please ignore
> the idiots on IRC. It's a little boys club where if you don't want to
> play with them they pout and sulk. Don't make the mistake of assuming
> that those who are loudest are the majority. Don't be discouraged by
> the whiny tone of IRC, if you're unhappy in that medium, then avoid it.
> You wouldn't be the first highly able and competent developer to choose
> to not play with those kids.
> 
> Please reconsider your decision, and take up the task of xwork
> architecture once again!
> 
> On Saturday, January 4, 2003, at 10:57 AM, Rickard Öberg wrote:
> 
>> All,
>> 
>> After having read all comments on the changes I wanted to make, as
>> well as some not-so-nice comments by people on #java (boxed and Joe
>> Ottinger for example), I've decided that it's not a good idea for me
>> to be architecting XWork. It seems I and most of you have rather
>> different requirements for what such a framework should contain, and
>> how it would work. Thus, trying to make a framework which fits both
>> worlds is just too much pain.
>> 
>> So, I'm resigning from the position as architect of XWork. If noone
>> else is interested I'd suggest that Pat resume his work.
>> 
>> I'll probably start working on another framework instead, but which
>> would be totally geared towards the upcoming Portlet API. AFAICT
>> portlets is going to become a very nice way to build web components
>> and pluggable web apps in the coming year, so I see little reason for
>> me to work on a non-portlet approach.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> regards,
>>   Rickard
>> 
>> -- 
>> Rickard Öberg
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Senselogic
>> 
>> Got blog? I do. http://dreambean.com
>> 
>> 
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