Hi,

Here's the summary of the previous IRC meeting / sprint.

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COMMUNITY MEETING

Place: #openvpn-devel on irc.freenode.net
List-Post: openvpn-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Date: Thursday 25th Aug 2011
Time: 18:00 UTC

Planned meeting topics for this meeting were on this page:

<https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Topics-2011-08-25>

Next meeting will be announced in advance, but will probably be on the same
weekday and at the same time. Your local meeting time is easy to check
from services such as

<http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock>

or with

$ date -u


SUMMARY

andj, cron2, dazo, jamesyonan, mattock and novaflash participated in
this meeting.

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This meeting was mostly a sprint, where Adriaan's (andj's) PolarSSL
patches were reviewed, fixed and ACKed on the fly. The sprint focused on
the "SSL library separation" patchset. This is the status of these
patches before and after the meeting:

<https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/PolarSSLintegration?version=35#SSLlibraryseparation>
<https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/PolarSSLintegration?version=45#SSLlibraryseparation>

If you have any comments regarding any of the patches (or ACKs) please
chime in. If there are no complaints, the ACKed patches will be merged
to the main Git repository soon.

It will probably take 3-4 IRC sprints to go through the remaining
PolarSSL patches.

--

While the sprint was going on, dazo merged quite a few already ACKed
patches into "master" (e.g. the tmp/winbuildfix branch). Noticed that
there are still quite a few that are still lacking an ACK:

<https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Topics-2011-08-25#Patchqueue>

These will be covered in another meeting.

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Full chatlog as an attachment

-- 
Samuli Seppänen
Community Manager
OpenVPN Technologies, Inc

irc freenode net: mattock

mattock 20:58:05
james is attending, too
maybe we could begin a little ahead of time? 20:58:44
as in now 20:58:47
 
cron2_ 20:59:03
no way  

andj 20:59:05
present 
cron2_ will argue the point for at least 60 seconds! 20:59      
L'utente cron2_ è ora conosciuto come cron2 20:59      

andj 20:59:15
hi everyone     

cron2 20:59:32
mattock: go ahead!      

dazo 20:59:56
hehe    

andj 21:00:07
15 seconds early, cron2         
cron2 wants to demonstrate a constructive approach to things! 21:00     

mattock 21:00:42
mkay
so, topics here: 
https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Topics-2011-08-25?version=2 21:00:54
 
vpnHelper 21:00:56
Title: Topics-2011-08-25 – OpenVPN Community (at community.openvpn.net)       
L'utente jamesyonan è entrato nella stanza 21:01       

mattock 21:01:15
hi jamesyonan!  

andj 21:01:19
evning
+e 21:01:22
 
mattock 21:01:23
we were just starting   

jamesyonan 21:01:25
Hi all  

cron2 21:01:30
hi james        

mattock 21:01:39
jamesyonan: topics here: 
https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Topics-2011-08-25   

vpnHelper 21:01:41
Title: Topics-2011-08-25 – OpenVPN Community (at community.openvpn.net)       

mattock 21:02:17
dazo: you got only ~1 hours, so should we start with quick review of your patch 
queue?  

cron2 21:02:37
I think the biggest outstanding batch is winbuildfix    

mattock 21:03:14
cron2: I think that's now in order      

cron2 21:03:22
has it been merged?
and tested? 21:03:25
 
mattock 21:03:26
emphasis on _think_ 
dazo: did you already merge the patches I mentioned today? 21:03:49
 
dazo 21:03:56
nope, not yet
I can do some tests on that now .... 21:04:02
mattock: did you paste a link somewhere? 21:04:14
 
mattock 21:05:09
nope, I pasted the headers to a private chat    

dazo 21:05:15
duh!    

mattock 21:05:16
I can email the patches to you if you want      

dazo 21:05:27
no wonder I didn't catch it in the chat log here        

mattock 21:06:06
andj: which SSL patches should we cover (later) today?  

dazo 21:06:12
okay, I have tried these patches, and they didn't apply cleanly at all  

mattock 21:06:17
hmm
whitespace? 21:06:25
 
dazo 21:06:33
<mattock> [PATCH 1/2] Additional Visual Studio 2008 build fixes to tun.c
<mattock> [PATCH 2/2] Fixed a typo in win32.h that prevented building with 
Visual ... 21:06:33
 
andj 21:06:58
mattock: the separation ones, starting at the topo      

dazo 21:07:00
the latter one, might have been fixed somewhere else along the road, but 
haven't had time to check it out       

andj 21:07:04
*top    

mattock 21:07:16
andj: ok, I'll update the topic list to reflect that
https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Topics-2011-08-25 21:08:54
 
vpnHelper 21:08:55
Title: Topics-2011-08-25 – OpenVPN Community (at community.openvpn.net)       

mattock 21:09:55
dazo: maybe the first patch fails because of svn merger 

dazo 21:10:25
mattock: I don't think I've applied any of the patches in tmp/winbuildfix to 
master     

mattock 21:10:43
oh yes, part of those are still in tmp/winbuildfix
forgot about that 21:10:45
 
dazo 21:10:47
yeah    
dazo too 21:10  

cron2 21:11:17
dazo: please do         

mattock 21:11:19
can you see which apply cleanly, and I'll rebase the rest against latest 
"master"?      

dazo 21:12:10
I'll have a look at it now, as this is pretty tricky ... a "simple" merge gave 
a few conflicts ... rebasing might be a nightmare as well        

mattock 21:12:35
dazo: ok
do you think it'll take a while... meaning, should we start reviewing the 
PolarSSL patches in parallel? 21:13:10
 
dazo 21:14:11
yeah, do that ....      

mattock 21:14:28
andj: the stage is yours        

dazo 21:14:30
it won't take that long ... but as this is fresh in my head now         

andj 21:14:43
ok, getting the first one out   

mattock 21:14:51
and jamesyonan's, too   

andj 21:15:05
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/46e7d0b6ae89634e70686bf48bfcdca07249f829
 

vpnHelper 21:15:06
Title: Commit 46e7d0b6ae89634e70686bf48bfcdca07249f829 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:15:08
Is simple       

cron2 21:15:10
dazo: it shouldn't be that hard. the route.c one might conflict, but that 
should be fairly easy to solve out (or just ask  )    

andj 21:15:17
only adds stubs 

dazo 21:15:48
cron2: yeah ... there are this patch we were missing from JJO which conflicts, 
it seems ... I'm rebasing winbuildfix against the new merged master first       
 

cron2 21:16:15
ah, the #ifdef PF_INET6 stuff. That's big, and is going to conflict a lot on 
route.c    
dazo pays attention to andj's discussion as well with half an eye 21:16 
andj is catching up on diffs of diffs in the background 21:17   

andj 21:17:24
but the first patch is pretty much trivial      

cron2 21:17:27
andj: looks ok to me    

andj 21:18:01
ok, the next on is initialisation functions: 
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/ad858d74599484b3f0d4ee16ffa645e098978a1d
    

vpnHelper 21:18:03
Title: Commit ad858d74599484b3f0d4ee16ffa645e098978a1d to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:18:31
and for that patch, I mad a diff between the additions and the removals: 
https://gist.github.com/1140049        

vpnHelper 21:18:32
Title: andj's gist: 1140049 Gist (at gist.github.com)   

andj 21:18:43
so you can see what actually changed codewise
note that the main change is the movement of the crypto initialisation to the 
crypto library init function 21:19:17
(the CRYPTO_MDEBUG stuff already got acked there) 21:19:30
 
cron2 21:20:44
I was about to ask about the CRYPTO_MDEBUG stuff 
the rest looks good -> ack 21:20:50
 
andj 21:21:23
ok, since we have the luxury of multiple reviewers, shall I move on after the 
first ack?
21:21:24
 
dazo 21:21:27
hah! one minor conflict in mtcp.c and route.c ... and 2 of mattocks patches 
applied cleanly     

andj 21:21:27
or wait?
dazo: nice 21:21:34
 
mattock 21:21:43
cron2: you're very effective today      

andj 21:21:54
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/d58b991030ff321dd107e81a400a1e2e1a82bfea
 

vpnHelper 21:21:55
Title: Commit d58b991030ff321dd107e81a400a1e2e1a82bfea to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:22:01
This one applies the crypto separation stuff
to ssl.c 21:22:03
 
cron2 21:22:09
mattock: those have been trivial code move-a-round's, no need to understand 
crypto here 

andj 21:22:21
ensuring that the library independent-backend is used   

cron2 21:22:22
mattock: you're keeping track of the ACKs?      

andj 21:22:25
instead of OepnSSL      

mattock 21:22:27
cron2: naturally        

andj 21:22:29
OpenSSL
nice 21:22:31
 
cron2 21:23:43
andj: I'm a bit confused about Al_len here      

andj 21:23:56
OpenSSL passes it back in -  HMAC_Final(&ctx,A1,&A1_len); 3651
But Polar doesn't 21:24:07
Since the length of the hash is predictable 21:24:17
 
cron2 21:24:21
aaah    

andj 21:24:24
You don't need to get it passed back    

cron2 21:24:32
ok, understood  

mattock 21:25:25
a small sidenote... once again, we have a Scientific Linux 6.0 
buildslave/cross-compiling environment   

andj 21:25:58
I've been playing with build slaves at work
for the dutch-official version of OpenVPN 21:26:08
 
novaflash 21:26:19
hey     

mattock 21:26:19
the previous one got destroyed by mistake (was assumed dead, because pings were 
blocked by iptables)    

novaflash 21:26:25
dutch official version? neat.   

mattock 21:26:27
andj: cool!     

cron2 21:26:37
mattock: you really need to stop filtering ICMP         

andj 21:26:42
novaflash: in the works, a government certified version 

mattock 21:26:43
cron2: yeah...  

cron2 21:26:51
andj: cool      

novaflash 21:26:52
andj; interested!       

andj 21:27:10
novaflash: I'll explain after the meeting       

novaflash 21:27:13
k       
cron2 feels a bit uneasy about the current patch 21:27  

andj 21:27:43
TLS PRF one?    

cron2 21:27:57
the one waiting for an ACK right now    

mattock 21:28:06
jamesyonan: any comments on 
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/d58b991030ff321dd107e81a400a1e2e1a82bfea
     

vpnHelper 21:28:08
Title: Commit d58b991030ff321dd107e81a400a1e2e1a82bfea to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:28:11
because of all the crypto stuff?        

cron2 21:28:44
it looks simple enough, but I've never worked with any SSL library, so I'm not 
sure what to keep an eye on      

jamesyonan 21:28:50
looking at it...        

andj 21:29:01
aha     

cron2 21:29:36
andj: where are the hmac_ctx_* functions defined? Do you have a link for those? 

andj 21:29:42
sure, just a sec        

cron2 21:29:46
(so I can just look at the implementation for openssl, and compare)     

andj 21:30:19
They're in here: 
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/blob/master/crypto_openssl.c   

vpnHelper 21:30:21
Title: crypto_openssl.c at master from andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub 
(at github.com)    

andj 21:30:41
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/blob/master/crypto_openssl.c#L747
 to be exact   

vpnHelper 21:30:42
Title: crypto_openssl.c at master from andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub 
(at github.com)    

jamesyonan 21:31:14
the good thing about TLS PRF function is that if you break it, the connection 
is almost guaranteed not to negotiate     

andj 21:31:41
jamesyonan: my tests also involve PolarSSL <-> OpenSSL comms
which should catch that sort of thing too 21:32:06
 
cron2 21:32:16
andj: looks good to me  

mattock 21:32:30
jamesyonan: ACK from you too?   

jamesyonan 21:32:46
yes     

andj 21:32:55
ok, next one is a straightforward move
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/84a1af2ca444672ef3dcd9488c49e16b22f7646e
 21:32:55
 
vpnHelper 21:32:57
Title: Commit 84a1af2ca444672ef3dcd9488c49e16b22f7646e to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:33:00
https://gist.github.com/1171317 

vpnHelper 21:33:02
Title: andj's gist: 1171317 Gist (at gist.github.com)   

andj 21:33:04
shows no changes        
dazo is back 21:33      

cron2 21:33:44
ack, then       

jamesyonan 21:33:57
looks good      

andj 21:34:28
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/4f5b4ca58d2a16d1d0a88701b260da5a24f1bb99
 

vpnHelper 21:34:30
Title: Commit 4f5b4ca58d2a16d1d0a88701b260da5a24f1bb99 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com)
RSS Update - testtrac: Fixed a typo in win32.h that prevented building with 
Visual Studio 
<http://openvpn.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=openvpn/openvpn-testing.git;a=commitdiff;h=b9a13c7a0446fdd46ef834ad0de30a25cba89e74>
 || Additional Visual Studio 2008 build fixes to tun.c 
<http://openvpn.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=openvpn/openvpn-testing.git;a=commitdiff;h=c5534a7dde9d209cb68cbf4340f87e08b450862a>
 || USE_PF_INET6 by def 21:34:39
 
andj 21:34:43
another move: https://gist.github.com/1171319   

vpnHelper 21:34:44
Title: andj's gist: 1171319 Gist (at gist.github.com)   

andj 21:34:51
shows the 0 difference  

cron2 21:35:06
ack     

andj 21:35:38
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/7b0aaa1b779aca13c3d4f4ad36d32cf800cfec06
 needs a slightly closer eye as some stuff got split     

vpnHelper 21:35:40
Title: Commit 7b0aaa1b779aca13c3d4f4ad36d32cf800cfec06 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:35:42
into multiple files
s/files/functions/ 21:35:50
 
cron2 21:39:54
as far as I can see, it's ok, but I'd want someone with more crypto to 
second-check     

jamesyonan 21:41:11
yeah, it looks pretty straightforward to me     

andj 21:41:47
cool: straightforward: 
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/47031a84fc2d27e03439ff29baa8f66b6f2794bf
  

mattock 21:41:48
I take that as an ACK...        

vpnHelper 21:41:48
Title: Commit 47031a84fc2d27e03439ff29baa8f66b6f2794bf to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:43:07
That one moves stuff together, ensuring that it can be extracted into a 
function later  

cron2 21:43:18
ack     

jamesyonan 21:43:22
looks good      

andj 21:43:54
DH params: 
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/ab64efc6d3d85b901c0b65794a07ecaba046f376
      

vpnHelper 21:43:55
Title: Commit ab64efc6d3d85b901c0b65794a07ecaba046f376 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:44:11
and a diff of diffs to make it less scary: https://gist.github.com/1171329
21:44:12
 
vpnHelper 21:44:14
Title: andj's gist: 1171329 Gist (at gist.github.com)   

cron2 21:45:38
looks good (the gist thing helps  )     

andj 21:45:55
cron2: yeah, I was surprised at its effectiveness       

cron2 21:45:56
andj: what do you use for automated testing?    

andj 21:46:06
I have a jenkins setup running
and some custom tools from my employer 21:46:23
 
cron2 21:46:54
do you do "just unit tests" or "full client<->server connection plus data 
transfer" tests?      

andj 21:47:31
I'm mostly testing crypto, but I do need a simple client-server connection for 
that
As unit testing this core is still tricky 21:48:06
 
cron2 21:48:15
indeed  

andj 21:48:21
mostly due to error.h having a lot of dependencies      

cron2 21:50:43
ok, back to the patches...      

andj 21:51:55
ok, the DH one is again reasonably strightforward
or did you already ack that one? 21:52:02
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/9bb4886227f17d9a5f770294d7953555e7554b13
 21:52:24
 
vpnHelper 21:52:25
Title: Commit 9bb4886227f17d9a5f770294d7953555e7554b13 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:52:34
and a gist at https://gist.github.com/1171335   

mattock 21:52:34
andj: it's marked as acked      

vpnHelper 21:52:35
Title: andj's gist: 1171335 Gist (at gist.github.com)   

cron2 21:53:05
ack     

andj 21:54:02
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/b598dc77bb01e900926fe1c897fab3fca87c1499
 

vpnHelper 21:54:03
Title: Commit b598dc77bb01e900926fe1c897fab3fca87c1499 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 21:54:04
PKCS12
https://gist.github.com/1171346 21:54:14
 
vpnHelper 21:54:15
Title: andj's gist: 1171346 Gist (at gist.github.com)   

andj 21:54:36
nostly options-> disappearing   

cron2 21:58:31
I have no idea what that code does, but the move looks harmless 

mattock 21:58:55
jamesyonan: what do you think?  

andj 21:59:05
The code loads a PKCS#12 key, which is a combined CA + certificate + private 
key        

jamesyonan 22:00:58
looks okay to me        

andj 22:01:20
PKCS#11: 
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/2751963b9860a1a1fc82dec4851b11ddafac031e
        

vpnHelper 22:01:21
Title: Commit 2751963b9860a1a1fc82dec4851b11ddafac031e to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 22:01:30
and a gist
https://gist.github.com/1171494 22:01:31
 
vpnHelper 22:01:32
Title: andj's gist: 1171494 Gist (at gist.github.com)   

andj 22:02:08
although the gist isn't that useful here
most of the code here is "load this using the OpenSSL API" 22:03:06
 
cron2 22:03:38
there is somewhat of a structural change with the "else" branch moving around   

andj 22:03:55
not in the original commit
it's a diff artifact 22:03:59
 
cron2 22:04:05
oh?     

andj 22:04:09
oh wait
no 22:04:17
 
cron2 22:04:38
ah, I see
the old code was 22:04:40
else 22:04:41
{ 22:04:42
if(...) ... 22:04:45
} 22:04:46
while the new one is 22:04:49
else if (...) ... 22:04:53
 
andj 22:05:06
yeah, just cleaned it up a little to show that it was a longer set of subclauses
if ( A ) load A 22:05:17
 
cron2 22:05:21
ok      

andj 22:05:23
else if (B) load B
etc 22:05:23
 
cron2 22:05:43
I needed to construct more of the "final view" in my head to see how things 
changed     

andj 22:05:48
windows cert: 
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/6cd93220509346eb2701188cbb8ca6e77451b494
   

vpnHelper 22:05:50
Title: Commit 6cd93220509346eb2701188cbb8ca6e77451b494 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

andj 22:06:13
no gist because it's sort of irrelevent for a single line       

cron2 22:06:15
I didn't say "ACK" yet  - but ACK to the previous one, then     

andj 22:06:28
sorry, misunderstood the ok 
take all the time you need, verification is important 22:06:43
 
cron2 22:07:06
ack
(and I think I'm done for today, no more brains left) 22:07:15
 
andj 22:07:18
https://github.com/andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring/commit/df9b63c5c0b3333d7171e76dd3dab87b9274cbf8
 

vpnHelper 22:07:19
Title: Commit df9b63c5c0b3333d7171e76dd3dab87b9274cbf8 to 
andj/openvpn-ssl-refactoring - GitHub (at github.com) 

cron2 22:07:27
tireless, merciless...  

andj 22:07:39
I was already typing, sorry 
We can call it a day, unless someone else wants to take over 22:08:00
 
cron2 22:08:02
that one is too much for me for today *yawn*
(sorry) 22:08:05
 
andj 22:08:23
besides, we need to get back to dazo
cron2: no problem, happy enough we got half way 22:08:35
cron2 shakes dazo "heh, time to wake up"! 22:08 

dazo 22:08:58
hehe ... as the speed was optimal, I just kept quiet    

andj 22:09:04
otherwise I can give a status update on the dutch openvpn thing I spoke about a 
few weeks ago   

mattock 22:09:08
dazo: how did winbuildfix merge go?     

cron2 22:09:08
so how's your merge going?      

andj 22:09:15
ok, moving that to the end of the meeting       

cron2 22:09:16
mattock: *5*    

dazo 22:09:16
mattock: I've pushed out a new master   

novaflash 22:09:20
andj; ping      

mattock 22:09:36
updated the topic page, see the ~10 patches on top... 
https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/Topics-2011-08-25      

vpnHelper 22:09:38
Title: Topics-2011-08-25 – OpenVPN Community (at community.openvpn.net)       

mattock 22:09:42
however, I don't think we can cover them today
next meeting perhaps 22:09:47
 
dazo 22:10:02
re: winbuild stuff ... I *think* we've merged in everything needed, including 
the last outstanding patches into master branches now
so if someone can try some windows builds now, that'd be great! 22:10:16
cron2 points at mattock 22:10   

cron2 22:10:37
that was the primary goal, make the python build succeed on master      

dazo 22:10:48
yupp!   

cron2 22:10:54
if that's done for good now, we can revisit mingw and fix what broke in the 
process     
cron2 has a mingw VM and should be able to find time next week to try building 
there 22:11      

dazo 22:11:19
cool!   
andj has a half-finished CMakeLists.txt 22:11   

cron2 22:11:36
*shiver*        

dazo 22:11:52
anyhow, I need to split now ... but will follow up stuff tomorrow again 
cron2 has a strong dislike for any sort of automated build tool thing (mostly 
they just add new build dependencies because you need to get that damn tool up 
and running in the first place) 22:12      

cron2 22:12:18
dazo: g'night   
cron2 needs to split off as well -> spend time with $wife 22:12 

andj 22:12:28
cron2: was just playing with it 

mattock 22:12:31
dazo: bye!      

andj 22:12:46
me too in a minute, if the meeting is over, I'll give an update on the 
openvpn-nl thing 

mattock 22:12:48
cron2: could you check the last few ACKs on topic page
to make sure I interpreted your ACKs correctly 22:13:06
sorry, PolarSSL page 22:13:13
https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/PolarSSLintegration 22:13:18
 
vpnHelper 22:13:19
Title: PolarSSLintegration – OpenVPN Community (at community.openvpn.net)     

cron2 22:13:26
mattock: ack    

mattock 22:13:31
cron2: ok
jamesyonan, andj: still energy for a few more polarssl patches, or continue in 
another meeting? 22:13:53
 
andj 22:14:09
I'm always rearing to go        

mattock 22:14:13
there are quite a few to cover still: 
https://community.openvpn.net/openvpn/wiki/PolarSSLintegration?version=45#SSLlibraryseparation
    

vpnHelper 22:14:14
Title: PolarSSLintegration – OpenVPN Community (at community.openvpn.net)     

jamesyonan 22:14:47
I would rather do later if possible     

mattock 22:14:55
ok      

andj 22:14:59
ok, let's continue next week then
novaflash: the polarssl integration patches started with a request from the 
dutch national communications security agency (NLNCSA) for help with a 
certified version of OpenVPN 22:15:33
 
mattock 22:15:46
good progress today!    

andj 22:15:50
indeed  

mattock 22:16:04
it'll take 3-4 meetings to get the rest ACKed   

novaflash 22:16:19
andj; cool. that probably means there will be a translation to dutch then.      

andj 22:16:25
no, not necessarily
it mostly had to do with the crypto, and security 22:16:39
 
novaflash 22:16:58
and polarssl is... better? than openssl?        

andj 22:17:01
the version will be probably be released without the gui
simpler, therefore easier to evaluate 22:17:09
 
novaflash 22:17:09
ah i see        

mattock 22:17:59
ok, I got to go now... will write the summary tomorrow morning  

andj 22:18:02
anyway for it to be government-approved, it needs to be compiled by a trusted 
party
mattock cya! 22:18:07
 
mattock 22:18:14
good night all! 

novaflash 22:18:18
bye mattock     

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