Hi Leroy,

On 08/10/20 00:58, Leroy Tennison via Openvpn-users wrote:
We use OpenVPN but are getting requests from customers for IPSec.  In doing research I came across a reference stating the OpenVPN development team has "subscribed to" some standard for secure development but, of course, now I can't find it.  Does anyone have a reference to what I'm talking about?
New to me, but I have not been following that too closely...

I'm painfully aware that IPSec is more complex, difficult to set up and less robust in recovering from failed connections than OpenVPN but am looking for additional justification.  Anything that anyone has to offer (third-party commercial products such as firewall vendors using OpenVPN, reviews/analysis of OpenVPN, "security expert" recommendations, etc) would be appreciated.

Like the others have said, most third-party commercial products for roadwarriors (non site-to-site) have built in their own extensions. Windows, for example, has had a IPsec+L2TP client for years but almost no one knows how to effectively use it and thus it is not used at all.

The main issue with IPsec is NATting, which it is horrible at; I've been in a project where an external consultant recommended IPsec over OpenVPN (this was in 2005!)   and the project collapsed more or less due to NATting issues. With OpenVPN-over-TCP they got things up and running smoothly after that.

Also, if your roadwarriors (clients) travel to internet-restricted countries a lot (e.g. China) then IPsec will almost certainly not work, whereas with OpenVPN you still have a chance.

A quick&dirty breakdown of what protocol to choose would be:
- site-to-site only? IPsec is an option but OpenVPN can handle it; wireguard is also good at this - many clients that connect over "open" internet:  almost any commercial IPsec client can do this over UDP , some even over TCP but you will be locked in to a commercial closed-source vendor; OpenVPN excels at this , whether it's UDP or TCP based. - clients in "difficult" spots , like some countries and even some bars and airport wifi setups:  IPsec will most likely fail, as it cannot handle NATting and TCP well; OpenVPN-over-TCP is a good solution for this.


HTH,

JJK


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