On 12/11/18 21:57, Fernando Frediani wrote:
Totally agree with Luiz. That was the idea behind this proposal and
you managed to even easier words.
Alberto, the tiny subtarget you mentioned doesn't really seem to run
well or stably for 18.06 on many of these devices regardless the flash
size, that's the main point.
As mentioned there are many new devices still coming with 32MB of RAM
and which can take benefit of OpenWrt for various reasons and usages.
I think for many of us here are completely fine to put some extra cash
and buy a newer hardware to cope with OpenWrt evolution but the
reality is that majority of people are not. Another example I wanted
to put to illustrate is an ISP that has thousands of existing devices
with similar specs running, being still able to keep using OpenWrt
more securely while they start to introduce newer hardware to their
customer base allowing to make a more smooth transition to these more
powerful hardware.
I quite frankly don't believe it's worth allocating what limited
manpower there is. While I'm not a OpenWrt developer and I don't speak
on behalf of the project, I really believe that you are underestimating
the effort required behind even a basic LTS release like a "only core
packages" or such. I think that if translated into man-hours (and
therefore money) it would amount to much higher than just letting
devices go EOL and have people replace them.
The ISP can pay for someone to do this job if they think really need it
(but imho it would be better to spend their funds in newer hardware,
besides they should have planned for hardware obsolescence already).
As a point of comparison, even Debian that is far larger than OpenWrt
only agreed to extend the support period for its old release (which is a
"mostly core packages" affair too, kernel, basic userspace and server
software) after some sponsors showed up and paid for it.
-Alberto
Regards
Fernando
On 12/11/2018 18:20, Luiz Angelo Daros de Luca wrote:
Hello,
There are a significant amount of devices out there that has 4/32
specs. Even brand new ones.
If there is stability issues with newer OpenWrt versions on those
devices, we should rethink LEDE EOL.
Maintenance burden is directly related to the amount of software to
maintain. At the same time, low specs means they might have no
interest in most packages.
Maybe 15.05 life could be extend with a lower cost by limiting
maintenance to a subset of packages (core? even less?). We could
release LEDE 15.05.(x+1) LTS with feeds configured to use only that
subset of packages. We could also limit the images to those low spec
models.
EOL is not really a big deal until it requires a new HW. Routers are
things that die hard, even after a decade. It just doesn't seem right
to turn old working hw into electronic waste because of software.
Keeping old stuff running is even on of the reasons to use OSS.
Regards,
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