Hello Peter,

i think a private webpage does not solve the maintenance problem for the 
xmpp.org jabber server list. 


mit freundlichen Grüßen / best regards,

Friedrich Kron
edv dienstschiene
Mail: [email protected]



On 16.01.2012, at 18:39, Peter Viskup wrote:

> Hi Friedrich,
> look - we are waiting for our server to be listed on xmpp.org since August of 
> 2009. So this is step forward for us - doesn't matter what is the history of 
> jabber.at domain.
> 
> BR,
> --
> Peter
> 
> On 01/16/2012 06:32 PM, Friedrich Kron wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello Jabber Server Admins,
>> 
>> I am realy sorry but i can't see any benefit from adding public jabber 
>> servers to a private webpage at jabber.at. Hopefully the jabber.at domain 
>> will not change the owner and shut down services without warning again (like 
>> some years ago). All in all it is not really a nifty cool new public Jabber 
>> Server List… 
>> 
>> mit freundlichen Grüßen / kind regards
>> 
>> Friedrich Kron
>> edv dienstschiene
>> Mail: [email protected]
>> 
>> On 16.01.2012, at 15:25, Mathias Ertl wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> After years of waiting, delays, ignored offers for help and broken
>>> promises, I've finally decided to take this situation into my own hands.
>>> Yes, I've written our own tool for maintaining a list:
>>>  https://list.jabber.at
>>> 
>>> It does (almost) everything automatically, admins only have to enter
>>> their data and get feedback on what (if anything) is not right with
>>> their servers. JIDs and E-Mail addresses are automatically verified. A
>>> simple API that can be used by clients is available.
>>> 
>>> The current list at xmpp.org is in a very bad status:
>>> * Only 63 servers are on that list.
>>> * None have been added for years, all requests have been ignored.
>>> * Its even impossible to *remove* a server.
>>> * 6 don't even have SRV records defined.
>>> * 4 have some problem with the SSL certificate via TLS netotiation.
>>> * At least 2 servers don't even allow inband-registration anymore, the
>>> number is probably much higher.
>>> * ~10 linked-to pages do not work at all
>>> * ~15 pages link to a generic page that does not give any info about the
>>> respective service.
>>> 
>>> I therefor urge the XSF to finally ditch their own horrible list and
>>> just link to others (i.e. [1] and ours) instead. The fact that the list
>>> is unmaintained and many servers do not even work anymore creates a very
>>> bad experience for all users. The fact that the illusion of maintenance
>>> is kept up frustrates many server-admins.
>>> 
>>> Please finally resolve the situation in a realistic way.
>>> 
>>> greetings, Mati
>>> 
>>> [1] http://www.jabberes.org/servers/
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> twitter: @mathiasertl | soup: http://soup.er.tl | xing: Mathias Ertl
>>> I only read plain-text mail!  I prefer signed/encrypted mail!
>>> 
>> 
> 

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