Hi,
I've read this draft and agree with the requirements identified and solution to 
tunnel to an AR, etc. There is a need to have the right means by which the AC, 
WTP and AR discover, sync up on tunnels, etc.

Some questions for clarification:
1. How do the AC and WTP agree that they will be using the mode where data from 
the WTP is not forwarded to the AC? Would there be a new message that informs 
the WTP of what to do. 

2. In this draft, the data is sent from a WTP to an Access Router. How does the 
WTP discover the right Access Router for a specific user? 
Especially considering that - as described in the draft itself - "in many 
deployments, the operator managing the WTPs/AC may be different from the 
operator providing the internet connectivity to the WTPs".
It could also be the case that sessions attached to a WTP may be homed to more 
than one operator.
It seems like a dynamic/protocol based discovery is better suited in this case?

3. In this case, there is a CAPWAP control relationship WTP - AC, and a data 
path of WTP - Access Router. If there is a failure of, lets say, the WTP - AC 
path (keep-alive fails), what would be the expected behavior of the data path 
(WTP-AR)? Would the data channel be kept or torn down? 

Also want to note that some of the proposals in 
draft-xue-opsawg-capwap-separation-capability-01 (Capability Announcement and 
AR Discovery in CAPWAP Control and Data Channel Separation) can complement this 
draft. We could discuss this separately as needed.

Best Regards,
John




> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
> Behalf Of Rajesh Pazhyannur (rpazhyan)
> Sent: Saturday, October 26, 2013 5:08 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [OPSAWG] Seeking discussion on "Alternate Tunnel Encapsulation
> for Data Frames in CAPWAP"
> 
> Hello
> 
> We have resubmitted a new version of the draft titled “Alternate Tunnel
> Encapsulation for Data Frames in CAPWAP",
> http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zhang-opsawg-capwap-cds/.
> The previous version was titled: “Separation of CAPWAP Control and Data
> Plane: Scenarios, Requirements and Solutions”. Based on discussion in
> the last IETF, we reworked the draft.
> 
> The draft provides a reason for the need for WTP to have additional
> tunnel (beyond CAPWAP) encapsulations for user traffic. It enables a
> WTP to advertise the capability to support such alternate tunnel
> encapsulation and the AC to configure such tunnel encapsulation on the
> WTP.  The alternate tunnel encapsulation allows 1) the WTP to tunnel
> non-management data frames to an endpoint different from the AC and 2)
> allows the WTP to tunnel using one of many known ecapsulation types
> such as IP-IP, IP-GRE, CAPWAP.
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> Rajesh
> 
> 
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